Ok here is the lowdown on doing the swap trick with a ram cart game. (assuming you havea us saturn) Im not giving the timing just the procedure. Place the converter in the cart slot. First thing is the initial swap. Place the copied disc, then load it, swap out with an original Second swap, take the orignal disc then place it in Third swap, take the original back out and place the copy in When game loads, take out the converter cart and place ram cart in the slot. 4 swaps. And a big pain to do it successfully. ive only dont it once, then got a midchip the next day.