OverlordMondo Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 (edited) Debate, flame, defend your viewpoints! I know we have at least one Christian on here. And hurry up, this project is due in a week... Edited September 10, 2004 by LordKanti
Wizard Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 Evolution > Creation We can't play god, when we don't believe in god.
Gryph Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 Uh...I believe in the process of evolution because there is just so much proof supporting it.
Diso Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 Depend I suppose on what You believe So i'll try to take both sides and You can pick from there. Evolution has more of a better scientific explanation than creation. It explains how mammals evolved, how the continental plates shifted, and ice age, etc etc.. Creation is a good theory. The only problem with it is how you choose whether or not to believe it. Ppl spends lives trying to find the Garden of Eden and such. The only thing I don't like about the story of Creation is that everything was just there. Also, creation doesn't really explain different ethic groups which is primarilly the asians and africans. Evolution has the out of africa thesis and explains how the humans migrated and stuff like that. Another thing, Tell us what ur project needs stupid
Gryph Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 Evolution has more of a better scientific explanation than creation. It explains how mammals evolved, how the continental plates shifted, and ice age, etc etc.. Evolution has the out of africa thesis and explains how the humans migrated and stuff like that.You are gravely mistaken about what evolution is...it doesn't explain migration or any of that stuff. It's about how organisms advanced from single celled prokaryotes to humans. Geographic data is important when discussing evolution but it in no way explains it.
OverlordMondo Posted September 10, 2004 Author Posted September 10, 2004 Heh, I'm supposed to defend my own viewpoint. I hoped that by making everyone else defend their viewpoint, they'd go find a bunch of material, saving me time. But don't let that stop you.
AntiWinner22 Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 I'll answer with this question: Is it that God created man out of want, or is it man created God out of need? Anon.
Gryph Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 Is it that God created man out of want, or is it man created God out of need?Well the first answer can't be answered at all since no one knows why God created man (assuming you believe in God). But I think man created God out of need to justify their existence and to make sense of the world. Also creating a God figure could keep people in line. Also the existence of God gave people a purpose in life, to do things to become closer to him (I'm using him because its easy, not because I think God is a him).
Wizard Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 I'll answer with this question: Is it that God created man out of want, or is it man created God out of need? Anon.We're all going to Hell or something like it anyways. We made God, but we can't get rid of him that easily it seems. Damn crazy religious bastards that think that their is god and tries to convince me.
L.S.D Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 I will try to defend my belief here. And I'm not offended by what you all said I am always believe in "evolution". If a person has a change of behavior and pattern of life, I will called that "evolution" instead of "change". But Darwin's Theory of Evolution is well, only a Theory. No one has the proof yet!!! Especially the ape-evolve-to-human part. Well, it can be read from somewhere. i forget where Sorry. Is it that God created man out of want, or is it man created God out of need?Tough to answer. But I must agree with Gryph here. Human tend to take the easy way when they find something they cannot explain properly. A presence of a divine being can help them escape reality. And if anyone reading the Da Vinci Code, it will give you a really interesting view of Christians Although it is just a fiction, well....the things that are mention inside is quite interesting.
Gryph Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 (edited) I am always believe in "evolution". If a person has a change of behavior and pattern of life, I will called that "evolution" instead of "change". But Darwin's Theory of Evolution is well, only a Theory. No one has the proof yet!!! Especially the ape-evolve-to-human part. Well, it can be read from somewhere. i forget where Sorry.Ok, a single person changing is NOT evolution. And when people say Darwin's Theory of Evolution is just a theory, don't know that in the science the word theory means a lot more than how it is normally used. In science a theory is "an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena." Read this: http://home.comcast.net/~fsteiger/theory.htm. It's a pity people say and believe things without actually knowing. Also, many scientists have stopped using the word Law since its too strong. In new textbooks you'll see Newton's Law of Gravitation as Newton's Theory of Gravitation. And the ape evolve to human is absolutely incorrect, that is the general idea that lay people who don't know anything about evolution so they casually and incorrectly describe it as that. Humans and apes (we're all primates) share a common ancestor and evolved from that. Hell, humans share a common ancestor with sea stars since we're both deuterostomes. EDIT: And there is PLENTY of proof of evolution. Edited September 10, 2004 by GryphonKlaw
Sultan Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 FYI you can be a Christian and believe in evolution. I am a Catholic and believe in evolution. We treat the book of Genesis as an allegory. I'd go into its doctrine on evolution but its rather complex. The Catholic church is now actually very science friendly. Its a complete reversal of the end of the middle ages. Now its those wacky protestant fundamentalists who believe in every word in the bible literally. Though I doubt even most of them believe the world was created in seven days. Just go watch Inherit the Wind if you're confused on that. There is a theory out there of 'intelligent design'. That's the successor to creationism. It basically says that evolution by chance is too unlikely and so there must be some intelligent hand molding species over the years. But this theory fails because most of its supporters try and insist that the world isn't as old as evidence suggests, so they always throw in nonesense like saying dinosaurs lived with humans and such which makes their theory untenable. Basically the modern dispute between evolution and intelligent design proponents comes down to whether or not you think man evolved from something else. By saying man is a random evolution removes him from the center of creation and that is not something the intelligent design people will tolerate. If you're interested in reading modern stuff of evolution, read something by Stephen Jay Gould. "The Panda's Thumb" is a good introduction to modern evolutionary theory.
random guy Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 (edited) I think that there's too much proof for evolution to not take it into serious consideration. I don't for instance, believe, as christian fundamentalists tend to, that God put dinosaurs hundreds of miles under the ground to confuse people. That's not the deity I believe in and seems quite counter-productive ("Hmm I know, the best way to make people believe in me is to provide lots of proof to negate the bible!).That doesn't mean that there isn't a spiritual presence in the universe, but I do think, given the turgid history of Christianity in particular, that it is time for a new, unified religion. The fact is that the bible has been re-written so many times (and was in fact written about 100 years after Jesus's death) that even if it was the direct words of God at one point, it sure as heck isn't any more. Therefore, there is no point quoting the bible as proof of, for example, creationism (there's no saying that you're not quoting one of the many altered passages).What we should do is take all the best parts from every religion, dump all the parts we know to be untrue or added in to appease the public (for instance, King James re-wrote the bible in 16-something or other to reinforce the notion that Kings and Queens had a divine right to rule), and create a new unified religion that has a wide enough banner to be accepted by everybody - that could be the way to world peace and tolerance. Edit: Sultan, that was a damn good point about pure-evolutionary theory removing man from the centre of the universe. That's no doubt why so many people are hesitant to believe in evolution, they don't want to give up their position as the chosen species. Edited September 10, 2004 by random guy
AntiWinner22 Posted September 10, 2004 Posted September 10, 2004 Genesis is an allegory now? Well, can't the entire Bible, then, be taken as an allegory? Is it only the incorrect parts of the book that are allegorys? Anon.
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