Final Burn Legends 1.4

[Cospefogo]

Thanks so much, +T+,

I just tried to migrate to 1.4 and got some problems.

 

1 - I did copy the entire new FBL 1.4 folder to my HDD

2 - I did move all my roms from FBL 1.3 to FBL 1.4

3 - I did move all my /INI/EMULATION/ game specific ini files from FBL 1.3 to FBL 1.4

 

...and there is no way for FBL 1.4 to "read/import" my game inis --- regarding specifically the game screensizes. I have all my FBL 1.3 games set up in pixel perfect screen sizes, CPS1 and CPS2, NeoGeo ad many many other various games in perfect pixel aspect ratio. But unfortunately I am not able to import these screensizes into FBL 1.4.

 

Also, the readme says the Double Dragon 1 was fixed... but in my vision Double Dragon 1 was broken!

 

In FBL 1.3 Double Dragon 1 was fully playable, super fast, smooth, no slowdows when the screen is crowded, perfectly playable! I never saw Double Dragon 1 running so nice in all my life.

 

But now in FBL 1.4 Double Dragon 1 is back to its old slow and problematic frame rate, just like in CoinOps. The game becomes completely unplayable when we have many sprites in the screen. I know this reflects the real/original hardware, but it is really a pity. Dear +T+, this was intentional? Am I missing something here?

 

Best regards,

Cospefogo.

[Mr Feud]

Restoring the animated logo to the main menu should be no problem at all, I'll do it for the next release. As for the rombrowser, you can restore the logo yourself (though it won't be animated) by replacing the file \images\fbl.png with your logo file.

 

 

Nice thanks, I'll hang on for the next release then to release my skins as they kinda need the animated logo. Although I just started working on one that will use the arcade marquee aswell

 

 

 

But now in FBL 1.4 Double Dragon 1 is back to its old slow and problematic frame rate, just like in CoinOps. The game becomes completely unplayable when we have many sprites in the screen. I know this reflects the real/original hardware, but it is really a pity. Dear +T+, this was intentional? Am I missing something here?

 

I just tried it and I see what you mean its very slow in FBL. But I don't know what you mean when you say Double Dragon runs bad in Coinops, If I remember correctly Double Dragon ran perfect in Coinops because iq_132 fixed all the slowdown issues.

Edited August 11, 2011 by Mr Feud

[justgoonies]

Im having issues when trying to re-size the screen.When resizing in the main options it does not save the screen settings, and when I do it in game it only lets me change size from left to right and not up and down so now everything is currently unplayable.

[phrunt]

Double Dragon works fine in Coinops, has for some time now. I play it regularly.

[+ T +]

Thanks so much, +T+,

I just tried to migrate to 1.4 and got some problems.

 

1 - I did copy the entire new FBL 1.4 folder to my HDD

2 - I did move all my roms from FBL 1.3 to FBL 1.4

3 - I did move all my /INI/EMULATION/ game specific ini files from FBL 1.3 to FBL 1.4

 

...and there is no way for FBL 1.4 to "read/import" my game inis --- regarding specifically the game screensizes. I have all my FBL 1.3 games set up in pixel perfect screen sizes, CPS1 and CPS2, NeoGeo ad many many other various games in perfect pixel aspect ratio. But unfortunately I am not able to import these screensizes into FBL 1.4.

 

Also, the readme says the Double Dragon 1 was fixed... but in my vision Double Dragon 1 was broken!

 

In FBL 1.3 Double Dragon 1 was fully playable, super fast, smooth, no slowdows when the screen is crowded, perfectly playable! I never saw Double Dragon 1 running so nice in all my life.

 

But now in FBL 1.4 Double Dragon 1 is back to its old slow and problematic frame rate, just like in CoinOps. The game becomes completely unplayable when we have many sprites in the screen. I know this reflects the real/original hardware, but it is really a pity. Dear +T+, this was intentional? Am I missing something here?

 

Best regards,

Cospefogo.

I just tested everything you've said and sorry but I don't have these problems. I can copy game ini files from 1.3 to 1.4 without problems and individual screen size settings are restored. Perhaps you could send me some specific inis that were giving you problems but I tried a handleful of my own and the settings transfer just fine. Are you otherwise running a clean install?

 

With Double Dragon. What set are you using? Using the ddragon parent set I've just tried it on FBL1.3 and the games runs extremely choppily at under 20fps. In FBL1.4 it maintains a solid 59.9fps, so I'm assuming the slowdown when the screen is crowded comes from the original hardware. I appreciate that CoinOPS may enhance Double Dragon to run faster than the original arcade machine but I would have reservations about doing this in FBL since I prefer my emulation to be accurate.

 

 

Im having issues when trying to re-size the screen.When resizing in the main options it does not save the screen settings, and when I do it in game it only lets me change size from left to right and not up and down so now everything is currently unplayable.

Keep in mind that the global screensize setting doesn't overwrite any per-game settings. Per-game settings are created whenever you run a game. So you should set your global screen size when you first install the emulator before running any games, otherwise the setting will not be applied to games that already have an ini file created for them. As for the left/right issue; You do know you have to use both analog sticks to resize the screen don't you? Also if you're resizing a vertical game the screen is rotated, as are the resizing controls.

[JLsoft]

Actual arcade hardware Double Dragon does indeed have slowdown when it gets crowded...earliest place to majorly see this is when the first Abobo breaks out. IMO this is how it should be No overclocking of CPUs to smooth stuff up...that makes it a different game basically

[Cospefogo]

Hey guys!

Let's go:

 

About screensizes:

 

It is very strange indeed. I just copied all the FBL 1.4 downloaded folder

to a place completely apart of FBL 1.3. I have not changed anything, specially

in the new screen.ini file, which, on a overall vision, is a blessing.

 

Then, I did copy all my game INIs to the d:/ini/emulation/

But no matter what, all games I open keep getting as screensize the

default value registered in Screen.ini.

 

Later, I did erase all files from the d:/ini/emulation/ and tried with

just a single game, a title that I was sure that was pixel perfect

in FBL 1.3. No results. FBL 1.4 just ignores my game INI information...

 

But now I wonder... I did not check if this ini was updated once the

game was started or not. I will take a look.

 

The only way I found to open and create correct pixel aspect ratio

inis for CPS1 and CPS2, for example, was to keep the d:/ini/emulation/

empty, and, in the Screen.ini file ---- did insert the screen values

copied from a CPS1/CPS2 game from FBL 1.3.

 

Then, I was needing to open game by game to create its new ini,

or then create the ini files in windows, one by one. Oh no... too

painful.

 

I will try to migrate again and narrow down all my steps in the

weekend to see what happens.

 

 

About Double Dragon:

 

I don't have the very last release of CoinOPS. I think it is not necessary

since all improvement that I saw so far was the home console game insertion,

which really does not interest me. Maybe on the latest version Double Dragon

is perfect, one of these days maybe I will check.

 

Back to FBL 1.3 --- I don't have here the name of the rom, but it was downloaded

from *snip*. I will make a movie this weekend comparing both

versions.

 

I know some of you guys prefer the emulation as accurate as possible, and I agree

with it --- but double Dragon 1 with slowdowns is really unplayable. Go to the top

of the first elevator in the second level, the game becomes really really really slow.

 

Ah, and Double Dragon 2, in FBL 1.3 is awesome too! Super fast! Absolutely no

slowdowns. In FBL 1.4 i have not tested yet. But, no problem, it is a matter of personal

taste, I think.

 

+T+, I will send you my INIs and I will make some pictures and videos of the

situation...

 

About rotated vertical games

 

+T+, is there a way to have directional controls rotated as well when we did

rotate a game? Just like... er... CoinOPS...

 

See you later, guys!

Cospefogo.

[Mr Feud]

I know some of you guys prefer the emulation as accurate as possible, and I agree

with it --- but double Dragon 1 with slowdowns is really unplayable. Go to the top

of the first elevator in the second level, the game becomes really really really slow.

 

Ah, and Double Dragon 2, in FBL 1.3 is awesome too! Super fast! Absolutely no

slowdowns. In FBL 1.4 i have not tested yet. But, no problem, it is a matter of personal

taste, I think.

 

+T+, I will send you my INIs and I will make some pictures and videos of the

situation...

 

 

I agree Double Dragon without any slowdown is really a nice gaming experiance, I even have the actual Jamma board of the game so I know the slowdown does exist. But I loved playing it on Coinops because the game ran soo smoothly with not one bit of slowdown. It really is the best way to play Double Dragon which is without the actual arcade slowdown. I think if we relied on the emulation to be accurate for the xbox we would be missing alot of games that we currently have including cps3 and games that used much vmm etc and games iq_132 fixed the drivers for etc. So its good to cut corners on accuracy for xbox because its running on old hardware and leave accuracy for the PC versions. It helps when we have a chance of getting a better gaming experiance on our good old xbox's and we are lucky with what we have

[cba.gy]

Copied everything i nedd from my FBL 1.3 folders to my new FBL 1.4 install.

Copied Screenshots, Video's, Singularity skin (with marquee mod), ini's and everything and can report everything works exactly as it should. Simultaneous video previews with screenshots and marquees. People must be doing something wrong !

Well done +T+, IQ_132 and of course Neil222 for his skin.

[Cospefogo]

Question:

 

FBL 1.3 and 1.4 does not rely on E:/TDATA and E:/UDATA for saving anything, like CoinOPS, correct?

I have not touched anything on those places for my clean install...

 

Cospefogo.

[+ T +]

About screensizes:

 

It is very strange indeed. I just copied all the FBL 1.4 downloaded folder

to a place completely apart of FBL 1.3. I have not changed anything, specially

in the new screen.ini file, which, on a overall vision, is a blessing.

 

Then, I did copy all my game INIs to the d:/ini/emulation/

But no matter what, all games I open keep getting as screensize the

default value registered in Screen.ini.

 

Later, I did erase all files from the d:/ini/emulation/ and tried with

just a single game, a title that I was sure that was pixel perfect

in FBL 1.3. No results. FBL 1.4 just ignores my game INI information...

 

But now I wonder... I did not check if this ini was updated once the

game was started or not. I will take a look.

 

The only way I found to open and create correct pixel aspect ratio

inis for CPS1 and CPS2, for example, was to keep the d:/ini/emulation/

empty, and, in the Screen.ini file ---- did insert the screen values

copied from a CPS1/CPS2 game from FBL 1.3.

 

Then, I was needing to open game by game to create its new ini,

or then create the ini files in windows, one by one. Oh no... too

painful.

 

I will try to migrate again and narrow down all my steps in the

weekend to see what happens.

I'm not sure what to tell you Cospefogo. Every time I migrate an ini from 1.3 to 1.4 it works fine, screensizes and all. If there is a problem here I'll get it fixed but right now I just can't identify one. I was particularly careful to implement the Screen.ini feature in such a way that it wouldn't interfere with preset game configs. Has anyone else had any success or problems with transferring ini files? Once again, it seems to work perfectly here.

 

 

About rotated vertical games

 

+T+, is there a way to have directional controls rotated as well when we did

rotate a game? Just like... er... CoinOPS...

This is something I can look into. Out of interest, under what circumstances would this be useful?

 

 

I agree Double Dragon without any slowdown is really a nice gaming experiance, I even have the actual Jamma board of the game so I know the slowdown does exist. But I loved playing it on Coinops because the game ran soo smoothly with not one bit of slowdown. It really is the best way to play Double Dragon which is without the actual arcade slowdown. I think if we relied on the emulation to be accurate for the xbox we would be missing alot of games that we currently have including cps3 and games that used much vmm etc and games iq_132 fixed the drivers for etc. So its good to cut corners on accuracy for xbox because its running on old hardware and leave accuracy for the PC versions. It helps when we have a chance of getting a better gaming experiance on our good old xbox's and we are lucky with what we have

I maintain that my preference is for accurate arcade emulation. But there may be some compromise to be had. Let me look into it, maybe I can tie the faster Double Dragon code into the CPU overclock option or something. But if not and it comes down to a choice between the two then I'll stick with accuracy and keep the original hardware slowdown. Since you have the original PCB would you be able to say how close the speed of FBL is to the speed of the original? I'm just curious.

 

Question:

 

FBL 1.3 and 1.4 does not rely on E:/TDATA and E:/UDATA for saving anything, like CoinOPS, correct?

I have not touched anything on those places for my clean install...

 

Cospefogo.

FBL does not use TDATA or UDATA at all. All files are stored in the emulator directories.

[The Raincheck]

Hey +T+ is SNK's P.O.W. Prisoners of War working in FBL 1.4? Ive had issues with this and in FBANext360. Works fine in CoinOPS though. Running POW through FBL has GFX glitches. Thanks and keep up the awesome work!

[Sparda]

So, if i understand, actually, when a game is launched, it isnt "pixel perfect"...am i right ? Cospefogo, when are you releasing your inis ?lots of peoples around here are waiting for your work ^^.Please at least consider to release some .inis

[Cospefogo]

So, if i understand, actually, when a game is launched, it isnt "pixel perfect"...am i right ? Cospefogo, when are you releasing your inis ?lots of peoples around here are waiting for your work ^^.Please at least consider to release some .inis

 

 

Hey Sparda!

 

I can share my INIs of course.

But a warning --- all of them are set up to SIMPLE2X, 720p and using SCANLINES, oh my oh my wonderful SCANLINES filter.

Just let me play a bit more with my settings and I will share them.

 

But at the moment I need to find a way to migrate from 1.3 to 1.4 correctly!

I am having trouble to perform that (check my previous posts).

 

And yes, FBL does not have a pixel perfect setting.

It always open the game based on the game own INI, or based in the screen.ini settings (new in FBL 1.4).

But in FBL 1.3, when a game does not have its own INI, FBL uses the screen settings from the last game played/open.

 

Regards,

Cospefogo.

[Sparda]

720p ...nooooooooo

 

i only have CRT at home, not fancy LCD screen at all...okay, im a liar, i have one Samsung LCD moniter 23"..im playing Vanquish and some others 360 games on it..otherwise...i have 4 CRT at home. 1 PVM 2030, 1 Trinitron 29" 4/3, and 2 16/9 (one blackdiva Thomson, one Quintrix Panasonic ^^)

 

But please, share them ^^, we're waiting for since many months ^^