The Passion Of The Christ

[Shibathedog]

i heard it was so exxagerative, bloody, violent, and full of crap, that it was hilarious

[Captain FuKu]

I really don't know see what all the big fuss behind this movie is. Many will say it is gruesome and bloody... Yeah, well, I'd think when the Romans crucified people it wasn't exactly in the most humane way. Audiences -- especially in America, it seems -- are way too sensitive to graphic scenes. It's almost like they are little toddlers making a big deal out of seeing their first porn flick.

 

At least some people are finally starting to cut through the bullshit censors and make things as they should be (i.e. when you see someone getting crucified, they are probably not going through a pleasant experience). As for the rest of the movie and its religious overtones, I have no idea since I haven't watched it. But my comments regarding realism (and your average person's fear/discomfort/avoidance of it) merely pertains to the process of crucification itself, and it does NOT pertain to Jesus's "miracles" and whatnot, since I'm agnostic.

 

But speaking of realism, the Western civilization is STILL portraying Jesus as a "white man" (aka Caucasian). Why? This is hardly realistic/accurate.

 

Also, the whole nail being driven into the palm deal: I've read an article somewhere (can't recall where since this was years ago) that said the popular images of Jesus hanging from the cross with nails driven into his palms were inaccurate. Inaccurate in the sense that when people were crucified, a nail being driven into the palms of the person's hands eventually would not be able to hold up most of their weight (though a part of it is held up through their feet being nailed into the cross, but can't recall precise details). Instead, the author claimed that to support the person's weight, the nail would have to be driven through the wrist -- not through the main blood vessals there, but just below it (you can look at your wrist to see what I mean).

 

So, I suppose besides the no nonsense brutal depiction of the crucification, I wouldn't be surprised if there are still many inaccuracies; and of course, besides the fact that it is intended as a religious film, and I am sick of religious films as I've had my fill of them over the years. So, yes, I am not going to see this film (probably), unless, as someone mentioned earlier, I can get in for free.

 

As for Mel being religious, I think I've heard that he recently converted or something. Don't really care either way.

 

As for the mid-aged woman dying of a heart attack while viewing this film: Call me sadistic but I have to be honest, I did get a chuckle out of it when I first heard of it on CNN. (Some people just can't stomach graphic scenes I guess -- especially those in the North America, it seems.) I guess they should include a warning to those with heart conditions and such... Lame.

 

On a different note: Allah simply = God. Period. Nothing more.

 

To Gamecop: I don't think any of my comments in the post were religiously or racially offensive. And my comments are not meant to be inflammitory (sp?), but an expression of my take on this topic. But if for some reason you decide to delete my post or whatever, please PM as to the specifics why.

 

I can back up my comments BTW, particularly regarding the constant depiction of Jesus as a "white man" and regarding the Allah meaning God. They are facts, and you can even ask your college professors (if that is their field).

 

I am agnostic, and not religious in any way. Just wanted to throw that out in case someone wants to jump on my back.

 

If I don't respond till Saturday, don't be offended. I am busy with mid-terms. You finish one mid-term for one class, another one pops up for another. Mid-terms rock my world! Thumbsup!!

[solidius23]

ok i may as well chime in on this i do plan on seeing the movie because im glad they are finally showing the brutality of the cruxifiction and not watering it down, and because its well acted and directed and it sends a good message. u dont have to be religous to see that.i applaud mel for putting 25 mill of his own cash into a film he believes in,how many actors do u know that will do that????

[ryder]

u dont have to be religous to see that

exactly, think about the other end of the stick, movies like End of Days thats about the Devil. Sure the movie wasnt about actual religious events that happened but the central theme was that of a religous one, many people watch those type of movies without complaining about religion. You don't have to agree with the content to enjoy the movie.

[Violent-Yagami]

I saw the movie and ya, if your a christian great, but if your not, get ready for a ride cuz this one is heavily religious and has insane amounts of blood but you dont have to take my word for it.

[stealthcat]

For those who haven't seen the movie, you can laugh all you want about the various things you heard. But until you've seen it, all you are doing is sounding foolish. Granted, I respect your right of free speech, but there are some things you need to know.

 

The Passion is a meditation of the sacrifice that Jesus went through. If you are Christian, you will learn about how the Messiah took the ultimate pain and sacrifice. If you are not Christian or not religious at all, you will leave with a sense of the brutality of human nature and how one man went the ultimate length for his faith and beliefs.

 

I am Catholic and took a friend who is not religious. He said the movie got to him too, because it is very emotional. Honestly, you really can't watch the movie without being disturbed. In no way is the violence suppose to be entertaining. In fact, some historians say it is toned down from what would have gone down. (Yes, most historians agree that Jesus of Nazereth really existed, this claim is made indepedent of any religious beliefs. And for whoever made the comment about Santa, he was based off of a bishop named St. Nicholas who also existed. just an FYI ).

 

I urge everyone to watch this, it is a well done movie. (It was also made on charity. As in, Mel Gibson fronted his own money, and none of the actors were paid. ) That alone tells people that this is not for entertainment. I hope that you people post again, AFTER watching the movie. (Watch it like any other movie, though, don't just mock, give it a chance befre you judge).

 

This film is about sacrifice.

Edited February 27, 2004 by stealthcat

[N3oGhost]

Didnt the dude that played jesus get struck by lightning?

 

Probably the Devil makin him wonder why he was doin that job for free.

[iq_132]

Didnt the dude that played jesus get struck by lightning?

Yeah. He sure did He's lucky as hell it wasn't worse.

[Gryph]

And for whoever made the comment about Santa, he was based off of a bishop named St. Nicholas who also existed.  just an FYI  ).

That whoever was me. And I know he is based on St. Nicholas. I was referring to the Coca-Cola-commercialized-Santa Claus. You know, the non-religious one that goes "Ho ho ho" and promises kids presents.

 

I'm only in between classes now so you'll have to wait till I have a longer break for a another reply. So stay tuned to this thread, cause we'll be right back! And now a word from our sponsers: Coca-Cola, McDonalds (I'm hatin' it!) and Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."

[Gryph]

Saying religion is the cause of problems is like saying guns are the cause of problems, sure both are tools that can cause harm, but say we got rid of religion or got rid of all guns, the humans will eventually find another way to bring harm upon other people

 

people have the right to believe or not-believe whatever they want, but what I hate is when people try to bring down those who do believe, by calling them fools for believing in "imaginary things", at the same time I can't stand the so called "believers" who try and bring down the non-believers with their hell threats and all

But guns were made solely for the purpose of killing people. Relgion on the other hand was a way for people to identify with something that would give them a purpose in life.

 

I realize that my saying that people that believe in god believe in useless imaginary beings came out wrong and I apologize. But those are my reasons for not believing. And the main problem I do have with religion now, is the thing you said about believers saying that all nonbelievers are going to hell.

 

That's just complete bullshit and something God, if there is one, would not appreciate. He/She/It would love all his/her/it's creatures and pass the final judgement face to face.

 

Hmm...I'm rambling...but anyway.

 

I'm not blaming religion for anything, I'm just saying that it has caused people to feel overrightous about themselves and then dispense their beliefs on everyone else. That's what pisses me off.

 

And now, lunch time.

[Shibathedog]

i agree with captain fuku here

 

i dont like religion, ANY of religion, i dont go protesting like a hippy, but if you want, i can post a 9 page article i wrote about how they are all full of crap, ALL of them...

 

Also, i can stomach it, violence rules...

[Gryph]

Hey shiba, PM it to me. I would like to read it. And I'm not protesting like a hippie if that's what you're implying. And I can stomach the violence and gore; I have to be able to for my future profession as a doctor. It's going to own!

 

Whoever mentioned that the nails did not go through the hand but rather through the wrist is absolutely correct. The nail (spike actually) had to be nailed in between the radius and ulna to provide the proper support. And this spike scrapped against the nerves in the wrist so I'm sure that was ultra painful.

 

The method of dying on the cross is not the bleeding or being nailed to wood, it's suffocating because as the body can't hold it self up, it is harder and harder to breathe. Its like drowning in air, kind of.

 

I'm going to see the movie later tonight but one thing I've seen in the previews that is a bit historically inaccurate is that Jesus was carrying a cross. He did not carry a cross per se, but rather he was bound tightly to a single log or beam of wood that was strapped to his shoulders. Kind of like carrying a dead deer. And then he was hoisted up and that piece was attached to a vertical pole already set up, in this case at Mt. Golgotha.

 

The reason I know this stuff is because I went to Catholic school from 3rd grade to the end of 10th grade.

Edited February 28, 2004 by GryphonKlaw

[Shibathedog]

ok if i can find it ill PM it to you, its on my old laptop

[stealthcat]

"And the main problem I do have with religion now, is the thing you said about believers saying that all nonbelievers are going to hell. "

 

-GryphonKlaw

 

 

Not all religions say that if you are not a member, you will go to hell, the Catholic religion says that as long as you live with morals, you can have a good afterlife. I understand your point though, Protestants tell me I'm going to hell all the time.

 

And the commercialized Santa and any form of Santa is based off of St. Nicholas. He wore red and would leave little presents to children who left their shoes out on Christmas. He probably had a beard, but I don't know about the Ho Ho Ho part, that's cheesy

Edited February 28, 2004 by stealthcat

[DoubleDragon]

Passion of Christ... AHH THE HELL WITH IT... I saw it and I must say its pretty intense. I use to be religeous but not anymore however I still wanted to see this movie. If this movie doesn't make you cringe at least once, then you have problems for the crucifixtion part is very graphic.