Yet another hijacked thread

[BritneysPAIRS]

gogo is spending a little time but not much hes got a woman that keeps him busy. Hes a good guy those and giving me pointers when I see him to fix a few of these games.

 

Some of the stuff mentioned is emulated less accurately than CoinOPS but can be altered by filters I guess without speed drop, an example is after burner seems to play better on CoinOPS the frame rate is a little off in FBL but wasnt in FB there is quite a few games like this, ill stay out of this stuff as it can get controversal im sure but im testing what this thread topic is for my self. (sba if you want I have all the games I mentioned and find and the videos PM me sometime if you want)

I personally would ague that CoinOPS gui is easier to sort....and easier to use and the options are more refined to what people want to do if they just play games. An example is screen rotation is way more intuative id say in my build and does what it should but these are personal things I guess. I gave FBL to people I know and asked what they wanted me to add and after a little while of using this they didnt want me to add anything to CoinOPS (except for a few games like powerdrift) and are happy with the way the GUI in CoinOPS is for there HD TV and there cabs. Maybe its what they are used to, also they wouldnt want to micro manage screensizes, rotations, filters, autofires keymaps again for every game as they run more than 1200 unique games. Anyway I know your build will suit alot around with its per game setup and being set to later game sets alot more, and it really is nice. Im happy with my options and GUI personally and people I know are so I wont ague with whats better to me its horses for courses and ive agued this for years ive made my build to users of massive amounts of games...straight out of the box to work with stuff that is automatic and structured to do tasks they want to do, and removed as much micro management as I can.

 

If you have time iq would you like to optomise a few games properly and I know your good at it hehehehe

 

NeoGeo to me looked identical so I must be missing stuff what do the later sets fix?

also CPS2 looks identical to me apart from speed in some places what did they fix in later sets (although its switchble now thanks to iq)

 

PS it sadens me to see this talk about aspect ratio is is easy to test what video res you are running in and to set the flages to stretch,scale or zoom the 3d box ( I have set mine to stretch and it only autodetects 480i(then no NTSC/PAL detection)480p(knownsize as it has to be NTSC)and 720P(knowsize) anbd could fit aspect correction for known size stuff pretty easy, to do this I would add PAL/NTSC detection) all the source is in XBMC source code and open source, it really is just up to the emulator persons choice, you can see CoinOPS can detect screensive automatically just by going between low and hidef TVs and it automatically sets up screensizes...Virtual Mem etc everything.

[silkworm]

BP,

 

sounds like the next version of Coinops is gonna be great

 

did you get the game list like nes type, no screens while scrolling, that is what makes the gui feel fast and smooth. would be so great to have that in coinops.

[BritneysPAIRS]

yes that was done the day I said I would

 

you have a bad hdd as it works good on a fast hdd, but I have one with a slow HDD and yes its unsmooth so the option is added (only when triggers are pressed own a certian distance the screen and video render are disabled)

[neoryu]

If you want to Play

 

CPS1

CPS2

NeoGeo

Cave

Psykio

Toaplan

Most Konami

Genesis

Many Sega

 

FBL is the way to go. The GUI is better. The options are better. The speed is better (you will never play CPS1, CPS2, Cave, or NeoGeo games with software filters at 1080i and get 60 FPS on CoinOps). The rendering is better. The HD support is better. The controller support is better. I could go on.

 

Anything that FBL doesn't run correctly, doesn't run at all, or doesn't run at 60 FPS (like taito games) should be played on CoinOps or some other version of MAME as a backup.

 

While I truly believe CoinOps R3 ended up as the best version of MAME on the XBox, I think this post here from nes6502 pretty much nails it for the thread starter. There will obviously be some exceptions based on varying user preferences, but there really isn't any point in Xbox users pitting these two (or any Xbox apps) against one another.

 

The Xbox scene benefits either way by such marvelous efforts. I think of how far the scene has come since just a couple of years ago. Who would've thought we'd ever get this far.

[BritneysPAIRS]

sure I disagree slightly on some stuff like 720p users stuff as some stuff didnt work in that res on FBL and everything does in CoinOPS also CoinOPS is automatic in HD support...also some stuff in that list runs better on CoinOPS frame rate wise with no filters on both emus and not just one or 2 games but I dont really want to get into that I listed one or 2 previously check them out yourself. But anyways id like to actually make a streamline version for this emu as well as it does play some games that CoinOPS cant also it plays some games better (also on a code note its sperated xbe wise for the drivers as well so that is good for the future)

Anyways I dont want to ague its up to you guys on what you want and for you to look at anything the way you want it...ive run alot of tests with about 10 people and ill be making my own personal build (and looking at reason why some stuff runs better like posted early and it helped me fix the frame rate in CoinOPS) and I thank NES for adding stuff that will probably never run in CoinOPS never will and allowing some stuff like CPS2/NEOGeo and Pyk games to be able to run with filters I dont use them but if I wanted to id have to use this for sure. The control support is better in FBL? I dont think it supports usb or track or mouse for cab users and you cant define all keys that I can find also alot of games only play in digital or analog and not both (how do I fix that?) I dont think it supports global keys can that be altered as well?

 

Cheers im out of here but if anyone truely wants to make a small optimed build for the what the starter thread done ive assebled alot of stuff with the videos and pics and can work with you guys to help that side out...I dont want to ague about it. If thats the case then ill make my own personal build and all will be sweet in the world.

 

PS im looking and have achieved fixing some games that work better in FBA by looking at why they do but they will never run as well with filters on.

 

********Also id agree that NES6502 discription was 95 percent accurate and the best way to discribe the differences without getting into small specifics*************

[DrDystopia]

Anything that FBL doesn't run correctly, doesn't run at all, or doesn't run at 60 FPS (like taito games) should be played on CoinOps or some other version of MAME as a backup.

 

What games are these? I want to split the games up and put the best ones under the respective emulator.

 

--dyst

[NEIL222]

Wow, I thought this was a thread about Final Burn Legends, not CoinOPS....

[BritneysPAIRS]

A list of games that FBL does better? what do you think that means..better than a monkey dancing to micheal jackson? hmmmm maybe someone needs stuff defined more clearly, it goes further than CoinOPS but not much further id say

 

But ill admit I did "A list of games that FBL does better"...than CoinOPS as thats what im checking you can check them against what you want really

 

also after testing 100s and 100s of games ive reached the end of my tests for personal benifits really...I now have my own informed option im sure you guys will work out "Games that run especially well on FBL, A list of games that FBL does better" just offering some help into this. So I have done my research if sbp wants my opion PM me if not all is good

[sbpaabck]

A list of games that FBL does better? what do you think that means..better than a monkey dancing to micheal jackson? hmmmm maybe someone needs stuff defined more clearly, it goes further than CoinOPS but not much further id say

 

But ill admit I did "A list of games that FBL does better"...than CoinOPS as thats what im checking you can check them against what you want really

 

also after testing 100s and 100s of games ive reached the end of my tests for personal benifits really...I now have my own informed option im sure you guys will work out "Games that run especially well on FBL, A list of games that FBL does better" just offering some help into this. So I have done my research if sbp wants my opion PM me if not all is good

 

Would you care to post or PM said list? I have no idea what the CPS1, CPS2, NeoGeo, Cave, Psykio, Toaplan, Most Konami games are? I wasn;t inclined to research it either so was hoping someone would actually LIST the names of games that are worth bothering with that I don't already have running. I never played these games in the arcade so ppl either have to tell me or I have to research. Since ppl have already played or researched them I thought this would be easy enough.

 

NES's answer was sufficient but without someone saying "hey man this games is cool, why don't you try it?" I think i'll just use the sega games I already got. They are pretty cool...

[Cospefogo]

Hey guys...

 

How the classic Sega game SHADOW DANCER runs on FBL for you?

Is it running smooth, perfect?

 

I am curious to see something...

Just let me know about the performance of Shadow Dancer on your own FBL installs!

 

Thanks,

Cospefogo.

[Gilou9999]

Yo Cos,

"shadow dancer" runs better in COINOPS, same thing for "shinobi","double dragon1" (you knew that) and also "gunsmoke" a lot of game from the "others" section in fact, they are slow and choppy

 

now all the neo geo,psykyo, cps1 and cps2 runs better in fba legends (even dragon blaze runs smooth in 720p with filters, excellent)

[Cospefogo]

Hey Gilou,

Yes, I suspected that.

Thanks for your reply!

 

Best,

Cospefogo.

Edited November 23, 2009 by Cospefogo

[BritneysPAIRS]

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[(XBOX)]

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add-on showcase patch?

 

Now back to LEGENDS!...

tried that game Gilou and even the sound/audio seems better compared to the NeoGenesis Emu...

[BritneysPAIRS]

was going to say not even esprade runs as well now as it used to in FBAxxx (CoinOPS now has faster frame rate than FBL but both are surpassed by FBAxxx)... but hey thats only the tip of the iceburg form my tests. Maybe others see stuff differently and ill let them see that I only used a few tools to test FPS

 

and here we go...there is alot FBL doesnt do that used to work in FBAxxx like screens rotation with the keys and only for vert games... and I cant tell the diff using debuger frame rate for CPS2 or CPS1 or NeoGeo speedwise maybe others say its smoother but I dont see it on any tests. It plays alot more games, although lots of them to me are buggy, or laggy compaired to Mame and it seems to only support about 1/5 of the parent games Mame does. It does offer a few more options in some ways alough it removes some very usefull ones from FBAxxx. It has some cool games added like powerdrift (this is awsome for sure) it plays pysko games better than any other emu thats the basis of my findings.

 

Im now testing it vs FBAxxx as well due to it seems that EMU has the heads up in race for alot of games that I test.

anyways this is silly for me to get into I know the risks....

 

as for a new build ... no time soon and in truth I actually hoped for something diff than FBL, Final Burn emu is more useable for my own personal requirements and a great achievement....for my benifit it hardly plays anything apart from FBAxxx stuff and that has allways been been better than CoinOPS in fact alot of stuff that works on FBAxxx is worse now. If you play arcade games alot thought the years there is only one way to enjoy most games ever made and thats MAME there are just 1000s of games missing and 100s and 100s of great games missing and no matter what I cant ever get over that fact so anything non mame will allways be secondary to me, its fine if its not to you guys to me it allways will be.

 

you guys that PM really should stand up for yourselves PMs are not the place to talk about your findings I know people think your wrong here and will voice it but hey you only live once speak up or forever hold your peace.....I cant help you guys