Thomas Haden Church To be spiderman 3 villain

[Bob Jahovic]

Damn Carnage would be an awsome villian to have in any movie

 

For kicks, I'd like to see Bruce Cambell play him

 

I can kinda see Church playing Venom. Venom was a suit that took control of a person right? So they could make the original actor look like anything they want and have the suit bulk him up

[Daeval]

They needed a badass villain that you can hate, and excudes evilness. Doc Ock didn't fill that role. Instead he's a lame anti-hero who can't make up his mind on whether he's good or bad.

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I'll agree that doc-ock's good-guy/bad-guy complex was a little too black and white, but "badass villians that excude evilness" really aren't what Spider Man is about. There are very few of those on his classic roster. Carnage is obviously the exception to the rule, and frankly this Church guy would make a decent Cassidy. But I don't expect them to try and get that far with one movie, let alone with a pg13 rating.

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Hmm...let me rattle off some badass villains. We've mentioned some already. Obviously Carnage comes to mind. Venom is definately a bad mofo. They already used Green Goblin..he's second only to Carnage in badassness. There's also the Hobgoblin. Although Doc Conners isn't completely bad, when he becomes the Lizard...he's a badass mofo as well. No idle chitchat from him..he just wants to rip your head off. That's practically half of the major villains (Connors is a stretch) in the Spidey universe. Off course this doesn't mean they're all viable candidates for a movie.

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See, but all of those have some kind of internal conflict that gives them a "good guy/bad guy" schtick. Carnage, and possibly Hobgoblin, are the only exceptions listed there as far as I know.

 

Maybe I took your "villain that you can hate, and excudes evilness" part a bit too literally. I'll be the first to admit that most of Spidey's villians are badass, as long as we're talking "cool." But, Spidey was established on the idea of a more "human" superhero, and his best villians work with that concept. The "pure evil killing machine" archetype just doesn't work so well when contrasted with Spidey's relative humanity. Even Carnage works best when Venom is involved to change the formula a bit.

 

 

 

I can kinda see Church playing Venom.  Venom was a suit that took control of a person right?  So they could make the original actor look like anything they want and have the suit bulk him up

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Not quite.. Eddie Brock, the guy in the suit, frequently appears when the suit disguises itself as normal clothes. Also, Carnage (Cletus Kasady) is a skinny redhead. Kind of like a short-haired Carrot Top, actually.

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[Sturmvogel]

Yeah I agree with you Daeval. Spidey's universe works best with more complex characters beyond the common "killer machine" villain. There's a lot more room to pull that off in a comic book where the writer can take the time and weave the story. But for a movie...there are limits time wise etc. I don't think many will be disappointed if the next villain was a less complex character than one is used to seeing in the comics. It's a diferent medium to work in with movies obviously, and as I said there's only so much time to put what you want in film.

[L.S.D]

They can't show Venom or Carnage without showing the black Spidey suit (the alien symbiosis).

 

I'll put my money on Electro, Mysterio or Kraven

[Daeval]

I don't think many will be disappointed if the next villain was a less complex character than one is used to seeing in the comics. It's a diferent medium to work in with movies obviously, and as I said there's only so much time to put what you want in film.

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It would depend on the extreme to which it is taken. I'm all for a more immediately threatening villian, but at the same time it's important to maintain the feel of the comics. If not handled delicately, you risk losing that element and getting the "dumbed down" feel that comic book and video game movies have long been known for. So far, I think they've done a pretty good job with balancing action with drama, although I can certainly understand wanting more of an "action" leaning with the next one.

 

They can't show Venom or Carnage without showing the black Spidey suit (the alien symbiosis).

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They could shorten it a bit if the black costume stowed away with the astronaut Jameson, introduced in part 2, found Parker on earth, and eventually moved on to Eddie Brock (already mentioned in part 1). It would be no Secret Wars, but it would be an easy timelimit fix. Could easily be pulled in 2 movies if they decided to make a part 4.

[PLasticSlug]

i dont know if its been said yet.. but the next villain has been confirmed and its going to be sandman....

 

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050329c.php

 

 

so let the endless complaints and total fan disappointment begin!

[Skythe]

They can't show Venom or Carnage without showing the black Spidey suit (the alien symbiosis).

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Actually it can be possible to do it without or at least used as an introduction for Venom. What can be done is have a meteor/comet/happy meal/whatever crash with the symbiote in it. Brock be around thinking this could redeem his status in the Daily Bugle then WHAM!, Venom is born. You could make the black Spidey just a cameo near the end of the film as if Spidey finally got the symbiote off of Brock and is now fighting with it off of hisself.

 

I say this cuz when have you seen a Spidey film totally accurate to the film. And making 2 films for Venom (1 to introduce the suit then the second brings Venom) is completely stupid and a waste of movie making money.

[L.S.D]

i dont know if its been said yet.. but the next villain has been confirmed and its going to be sandman....

 

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050329c.php

 

 

so let the endless complaints and total fan disappointment begin!

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Duh, Sandman?!? Just a chance for them to show off the CG, eh?

[Gryph]

I guess Sandman won't be too bad. They'll be able to show off a new particle effect system.

[Daeval]

I say this cuz when have you seen a Spidey film totally accurate to the film.  And making 2 films for Venom (1 to introduce the suit then the second brings Venom) is completely stupid and a waste of movie making money.

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I was thinking more along the lines of having the black costume appear in one film while spidey fights another villian, such as the announced Sandman. The costume isn't the main focus, but is an important sideplot, sort of like how they handled Peter's home life in part 2. The film version of the black-costume era in the comic books, if you will. The bell tower scene resolves the conflict and the deal is apparently done.

 

The road is paved for Venom in part 4, fans get to see spidey's legendary conflict with the black costume as well as the movie they were going to get anyway, and the writers don't have to resort to any hackneyed hollywood BS to get the costume on Brock.

 

Not that I expect it to happen, but it would work.

[Inky]

sandman gets no complaints from me. I really hoped for electro, he's always been my favorite spidy villian, aside from venom.

[Aoshi]

There are rumors on the sony compound that there are concept designs of the sandman all around the room, so maybe thats the villian.

 

hey it makes sense as the green gobling may need a muscle to do the dirty work.