One wonders why we have to pay Microsoft for something that appears to be not ours to tamper with, and takes away our rights. They should be paying us! Part of my job is to set up the standard software images for all of the desktops in our company (thousands of them). Defender will NOT be included, and if it can't be removed, then we won't be using Vista. Similarly, I will be attempting to remove or render impotent anything else that I don't like. Again, if it doesn't cooperate, we will say goodbye to Vista.