BritneysPAIRS asks for *** FBA vs CoinOPS Thoughts***

[- kenshiro -]

NeoGeo runs on CoinOPS as good as FBAxxx (except for world hereo's series has some slowdown)

 

That's absolutly wrong... And believe me i know what i'm speaking off

[The-Ice-Man]

FBA loads most NeoGeo games faster I noticed, but once the games are running I found it's pretty level pegging for both FBA and CoinOps. With highly detailed games though, like the Metal Slugs, FBA does better as you can overclock the CPU to avoid slowdown. CoinOps doesn't have that feature.

[- kenshiro -]

FBA loads most NeoGeo games faster I noticed, but once the games are running I found it's pretty level pegging for both FBA and CoinOps. With highly detailed games though, like the Metal Slugs, FBA does better as you can overclock the CPU to avoid slowdown. CoinOps doesn't have that feature.

 

I meaned even if your eyes can't notice it, the emulation is more accurate. If you wanna have an idea check the documentation on MAWS, all details are there. The first example that comes in my mind is the proper decrytion of M1, which is recent (few months ago)

[deadcalm1]

NeoGeo runs on CoinOPS as good as FBAxxx (except for world hereo's series has some slowdown)

CPS2 runs on CoinOPS as good as FBAxxx (except for the very latest like XMVSF and some levels of SFA3 like the final stage....this is the reason ill be fixing FBAxxx as I love SFA3 and want it as good as it can be).

 

On my Xbox, the latest CoinOps stutters when playing CPS2 and NeoGeo games -- even with the VMM it has. FBAxxx (now 1.29) does not stutter ever. So for me FBAXXX is just better for the SNK and Capcom arcade games. I don't think it's that close between the two of them.

[deadcalm1]

FBA loads most NeoGeo games faster I noticed, but once the games are running I found it's pretty level pegging for both FBA and CoinOps. With highly detailed games though, like the Metal Slugs, FBA does better as you can overclock the CPU to avoid slowdown. CoinOps doesn't have that feature.

 

I meaned even if your eyes can't notice it, the emulation is more accurate. If you wanna have an idea check the documentation on MAWS, all details are there. The first example that comes in my mind is the proper decrytion of M1, which is recent (few months ago)

 

 

I now use the 1.29 version and I can tell that it is way more accurate -- there is no contest. Most people who are casual may not notice, but some of us that have been really into these arcade systems for years can tell. I have my AES unit still hooked up, so it is easy to notice when something is not accurate. Some of us might have a couple CPS2 boards too.

 

The graphics and sound emulations are important to be right on NeoGeo and CPS1/CPS2. 1.29 is handling this well.

[NEIL222]

As I said before, FBAxxx runs CPS2 games way smoother than CoinOPS. As well as the speed at

which it loads up CPS2/Neo Geo stuff.

[BritneysPAIRS]

Sure I agreed with big cps2 games running glitchy and as stated i would disagree with neo geo and older cs2 as they dont drop below 60frames a sec on my testers.... bigger cps2 drop to 48 frames a sec at times and average about 56 so yes it drops some frames... this is why I want to fix FBA gui in the first place to get SFA3 running 100percent.

Im aguing the GUI I would use CoinOPS all the way if it played CPS2 perfect as I can fix anything on it if I wanted to.

 

Load times and glitchless CPS2 is the reason why I wish to work on this. Im sure the drivers are more acurate and whatever but for me as long as they work at 60frames a sec im happy as (with no visible flaws).

 

Anyway I havent researched the diff version of FBA or looked at them and this is why the thread and the bug thread exists. If someone wants to talk about thing on MSN that has knowelge into all FBA issues and varience and doesnt have an axe to grind im free to discuss stuff on MSN and gain knoweldge into stuff

[BritneysPAIRS]

At the end of the day what im saying is im going to work on it with my own vision one way or the other...... its up to you guys to enlightnen me on my way the issues at the top of thread for and against im asking about if they are correct. I stated CPS2 slow down so this stuff is clutter to the thread to tell me that it is better as I stated at the start I know this to be true. Please I need to make the list at the start of thread as acurate as poss so I can direct myself and my time.....

 

Cheers Guys

[The-Ice-Man]

When it comes down to it, what's your goal with FBA? The impression I get is that it's one of two things. Either to take FBA as it is for it's ability to accurately emulate the heavy games, like SFA3, MvC etc, and then dress it up to look like CoinOps coz you prefer it's interface, sorting, autofire etc.

 

Or, you want to take CoinOps, which you're already happy with, and give it FBA's ability to play the heavy games really well.

 

I'm not sure the first one would serve much purpose, as it'd still be FBA, with its select number of games, only tailored to your personal preferences in looks and features.

 

The second one, would mean you'd have CoinOps, with its much larger set of games, only the big bad CPS2 fighters wouldn't be a problem for it to run anymore. That would be something useful, for those who like the older games, as well as the new ones.

 

Of course we're talking a serious fusion of two fundamentally different programs there. A major step of which would probably be updating to FBA's newer romset, as it's the new versions of the CPS2 roms that FBA can run so perfectly, not the old ones.

 

Ultimately I think it seems that you don't like FBA, but you like what it can do. It can run the later Capcom fighters as if it were on the real board, and then add hardware and software filters on top of it to boot, without dropping in framerate. Which is pretty impressive. If it could play SFA3 Upper as well, I wouldn’t have any need for my copy of SFA Anthology on the PS2 anymore.

Edited May 27, 2009 by The-Ice-Man

[BritneysPAIRS]

my aim is to tidy the FBA interface...... so I need to know where it can be improved its as simple as making it work easily. The design phiosopy ill be using is diff from CoinOPS as sort though 1000s of games isnt needed. So just to relayout settings add a few more options redo some keymapping stuff and improve skin engine...remove multi layer aproach with Left/Right tabs at least an option to flatten it completely

 

 

Ummm I like FBA as an engine alot better than CoinOPS its a bit mixed up layout wise but the bones of the Emulator are greater than CoinOPS. I would have choosen FBA for sure to improve in the past but the biggest let down is there are 100s of good games missing so I went with Mameox

[The-Ice-Man]

So will you try to add any games to FBA?

[BritneysPAIRS]

might do but at present people want more games in CoinOPS in the vote otherwise I would certainly try to a few bigger games ... im assembling a list of stuff I want to do and the order to do it really and see how far I get though the list

[The-Ice-Man]

CoinOps can play the following games (that I'm interested in), where FBA can't: 64th Street, Air Duel, Asterix, Asura Blade, Blade Master, Caliber 50, Captain America, Cyvern, Dragoon Might, Dungeon Magic, Gunbird 2, Ninja Baseball Batman, Rampage World Tour, Raiden Fighters 1,2+Jet (I think you said you could get Jet to work), Revenge of Death Adder, R-Type 1+2, Shadow Dancer, Spiderman, Splatterhouse. Then although they may not ever be possible to get running properly with sound, Mortal Kombat 1,2,3+UMK3 and Strikers 1945 2+3. If FBA had all these then that'd be it for me, I'd have everything I want to play in one place. I'm sure most could be added to FBA without problem, but they were missed for whatever reason.

[fumanchu]

CoinOps can play the following games (that I'm interested in), where FBA can't: 64th Street, Air Duel, Asterix, Asura Blade, Blade Master, Caliber 50, Captain America, Cyvern, Dragoon Might, Dungeon Magic, Gunbird 2, Ninja Baseball Batman, Rampage World Tour, Raiden Fighters 1,2+Jet (I think you said you could get Jet to work), Revenge of Death Adder, R-Type 1+2, Shadow Dancer, Spiderman, Splatterhouse. Then although they may not ever be possible to get running properly with sound, Mortal Kombat 1,2,3+UMK3 and Strikers 1945 2+3. If FBA had all these then that'd be it for me, I'd have everything I want to play in one place. I'm sure most could be added to FBA without problem, but they were missed for whatever reason.

raiden fighters1and jet dont work in coinops.

shadow dancer and a lot of the system 16 games like altered beast,eswat,wonderboy3 worked on an earlier biuld of fbaxxx that kenshiro had for testing last year.

strikers 19452and 3 and a lot of games that work to well with sound go into settings turn off frameskip and put sound quality to low,strikers 1945 3 plays great this way.

for the mk1,2,3and ultimate and also rampage world tour use mameox0.72,they play great on there with sound or you can try using the settings that i mentioned above.

there is also the standalone with the games ripped from the xbox midway treasures(mk1,2and3)they play perfect.

[BritneysPAIRS]

R2 fixes the sound stuff for strikers 1, 2 and 3