Vote for Kerry

[montpics]

Okay check the movie out then.

[Gryph]

All of that may indeed have made a difference - in a constitutional election if both sides were playing fair. But they weren't. Bush STOLE this election, full stop end of story. It doesn't even matter if the FOX thing is a little innacurate (and as I have seen the film,  I don't believe the criticisms myself), because ALL of the other facts are still true.

As for the actual article, there's nothing in there that changes my mind that this election was stolen, or that Farrenheit 911 was nothing more than (admittedly partisan) truth. People keep trying to attack work of people like Moore and stuff with insignificant details that do not detract from his work. But that doesn't matter, for just as most people who watch Moore's stuff are already convinced the president is dirty, the only people who'll watch films like "michael moore is a big fat stupid white man" are the people who are already convinced that Moore is a liar - in other words those people who support the things Moore attacks. I once fell for one of these stories, and was for a time convinced that "bowling for columbine" was a badly edited propaganda movie - but then within a week Moore came out with individual points to defend the attacks - just as he has done with farrenheit 9/11 at his website.

 

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911no...index.php?id=16

 

So I believe I will still take my news from people like Moore, and not the right-wing propaganda machines constantly seeking to debunk him.

But Bush won the Electoral College vote by 271 to 267...and there was no controversy in that. It was just that Gore won the popular vote by half a million but lost the Electoral College vote. That hasn't happened since 1888 so it's just weird but its the way our voting laws work. I don't like it and I hope they do something about the Electoral College but that's how it is.

[Sturmvogel]

Well Gryph, you would think so but lets take a closer look at how the outcome played out. We can set aside the conflict of interest in Secretary of State Catherine Harris running the election process in Florida while heading the Bush Team their as well. And we can just put aside from now how she and her cohorts blacklisted individuals who had names similar to felons, had misdeminors but were kept from voting anyway....and more. But long story short, the Supreme Court of the United States steps in. They don't unanimously vote to stop the recount giving Bush Florida's electoral votes and the win. It's a 5-4 split!!! What the hell!! The Supreme Court is faced with probably one of the most important cases in history and its handed down in a split decison.

 

This has never happened before in our political history. It only makes it worse when you realize that Gore received more popular votes. However, receiving a majority of the popular votes does not directly secure the presidency. Most of the time the candidate with the most popular votes receives more electoral votes. In the 2000 election, that obvioulsy didn't happen for Gore.

[Wizard]

Thats a sexy big sig.

 

 

Bush sucks.

 

 

I've said my part.

[Gryph]

It happened once before in the presidential election between encumbant Grover Clevland and Benjamin Harrison with Clevland winning the popular vote but not the electoral vote. It's a flocked up situation but its the only way states can get somewhat equal representation.

 

And I think Gore (or atleast John McCain) should be president right now, I know he was cheated because of the Electoral College.

Edited September 5, 2004 by GryphonKlaw

[Sturmvogel]

No Gryph.....I mean the Supreme Court stepping and stoping the recounts. And it's happened more than once. It's occured five times, but only three actually mirror the situation in 2000.

[Gryph]

No Gryph.....I mean the Supreme Court stepping and stoping the recounts. And it's happened more than once. It's occured five times, but only three actually mirror the situation in 2000.

Hmm...time to hit the history books after I finish this calculus homework. I remember reading a few reports back when this all happened during government class that said Bush would have won anyway. Ah flock it. I'm definitely not voting for him.

[Sturmvogel]

Yeah I bet.....newpapers have also analyzed all the possibilites, factoring in what counties had recounts and what kind of ballots they used. What actually ended up happening were recounts in only Miami Dade and I forget the other two . Anyway, in some scenarios Gore would have won Florida, and in a few Bush would have won. It's all screwed to hell anyway now.

[OverlordMondo]

Is there a point to the electoral college? I always thought it was a lame way to choose our prez.

[random guy]

No Gryph.....I mean the Supreme Court stepping and stoping the recounts. And it's happened more than once. It's occured five times, but only three actually mirror the situation in 2000.

Hmm...time to hit the history books after I finish this calculus homework. I remember reading a few reports back when this all happened during government class that said Bush would have won anyway. Ah flock it. I'm definitely not voting for him.

Good idea. There were obviously forces at work influencing the outcome of the election that you don't yet know about.

[Gryph]

No Gryph.....I mean the Supreme Court stepping and stoping the recounts. And it's happened more than once. It's occured five times, but only three actually mirror the situation in 2000.

Hmm...time to hit the history books after I finish this calculus homework. I remember reading a few reports back when this all happened during government class that said Bush would have won anyway. Ah flock it. I'm definitely not voting for him.

Good idea. There were obviously forces at work influencing the outcome of the election that you don't yet know about.

I knew about the factors on how Bush stole the election but the articles our teacher gave us basically said that despite that Bush would still have won. But it doesn't matter since he's an asshole.

[random guy]

No arguments there!

Edited September 6, 2004 by random guy