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before I watch this and get pissed off is this a list of what IS the top ten fighting games RIGHT NOW, or is it another stupid list where they try to take things like impact on the gaming community into account. Which simply can't be done fairly.

 

They basically go through every half-decent fighting franchise in history and pick the best game from it. Its not very fair- I think SF2, SF3 and SFA should all have places there, while some crap like SSB shouldn't.

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I won't take SSBM out. It's actually pretty deep, balanced and even plated all around. I should know because I picked it up on a whim and got destroyed in 1v1, after a while I started using Zelda/Sheik and talk about tight matches.

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But SSMB is still not a fighting game. I would say it is a platform beat them up game ala One Piece.

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Games that should NOT have been on that list:

Mortal Kombat

Killer Instinct

Dead Or Alive

Super Smash Brothers

 

 

In regards to Tekken 3, I sill think that Tekken has yet to take that monumental step froward in game play since Tekken three. Don't get me wrong, all the Tekkens from 3 on are great games (not including Tekken 4). Tekken 4 was a broken, ugly, rushed sequel. Tekken 5 is what Tekken 4 should have been.

 

I think the people that made that list were trying to appeal more to the American main stream gamers then anything. I think the only reason they added VF is because they wanted to appeal to the hardcore and make it seem like they are truly down with the fighting game scene.

 

Yes SF3TS is an amazing game, but there are other games that could have taken that top spot and or could have been on that list like Samurai Showdown 2, VF5, KOF 98(IMO).

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Games that should NOT have been on that list:

Mortal Kombat

Killer Instinct

Dead Or Alive

 

Why shouldn't those have been on the list? They're all great games... high level competitive play does not make a game. I actually think using the term 'mainstream' to differentiate between good and bad is actually pretty short-sighted You could make the case that high level play is about exploiting weaknesses in the game engine - those crazy Genei Jin infinite juggle type things - and ultimately make worse games overall for that reason. It also makes those games a lot harder to break into. I'm sure a lot of people are have had a lot more fun playing casual stuff like Killer Instinct and Dead or Alive than the hardcore following that mastered something like KoF98. Not to say there wasn't broken infinite stuff in Killer Instinct either, but it was a lot more accessible to the layman- who's to say which matters more when making a list?

 

I agree about SSB though- as far as the other 9 entries go in defining what a fighting game is, SSB stands out. I'd say its more a senseless party brawl than a disciplined fighting game.

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Games that should NOT have been on that list:

Mortal Kombat

Killer Instinct

Dead Or Alive

 

Why shouldn't those have been on the list? They're all great games... high level competitive play does not make a game. I actually think using the term 'mainstream' to differentiate between good and bad is actually pretty short-sighted You could make the case that high level play is about exploiting weaknesses in the game engine - those crazy Genei Jin infinite juggle type things - and ultimately make worse games overall for that reason. It also makes those games a lot harder to break into. I'm sure a lot of people are have had a lot more fun playing casual stuff like Killer Instinct and Dead or Alive than the hardcore following that mastered something like KoF98. Not to say there wasn't broken infinite stuff in Killer Instinct either, but it was a lot more accessible to the layman- who's to say which matters more when making a list?

 

I agree about SSB though- as far as the other 9 entries go in defining what a fighting game is, SSB stands out. I'd say its more a senseless party brawl than a disciplined fighting game.

I see what you are saying, and agree to a point. But I honestly feel those are not good fighting games. they are ok and DOA is a little above that. Just my thoughts though. I grew up playing Street Fighter, Virtua fighter, and Fatal Fury, and KOF. Eventually found out about Tekken around Tekken 2 and SC during the DreamCast days. I raised myself on quality fighting games. It was on coincidence though.

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it was an interesting list, but I swear that just made me spend like... an hour looking at other top tens they had on that site. Now it's like.... 3:30. Man does time fly...

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i was kind of hoping one of the kof would make it in the top 5...

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i was kind of hoping one of the kof would make it in the top 5...

 

I'm glad it didn't.

 

 

I wanted Guilty Gear to be higher but at least it was on the list.

 

No SamSho?

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But SSMB is still not a fighting game. I would say it is a platform beat them up game ala One Piece.

So take away 2 extra players and what type of game is it to you then?

 

In bare bones it's achived a sort of nirvana of "a perfect" fighter. It's even on all fronts for the most part and it's enough that no one is a simple clone of each other beyond weight classes (ala MK series, where the difference was only in Special Attacks). Replaced the life bars with lives and damage indecator. It also takes place on a 2D plane. Bad analogy, but it's like a hockey game; Both reset towards the center ice for the puck drop, and it can either go in your zone (defensively when your running at 100%+) or their zone (When your doing all the damage).

 

I honestly hate that analogy, but it's the best description of SSBM. But hey, it took me like 5 years for me to accept SSBM as a "fighting game." Well for one, it is a fighter but isn't in a traditional sense.

 

Ultimately, this list boardlines both niche and mainstream selections. If one would ask "Why no Capcom vs SNK 2" would be simple. Marvel vs Capcom 2 is simply the more accepted game because of it's ease to get into (Same applies too SSBM ironically).

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I'm glad Marvel vs Capcom 2 is #2 on the list. It will never be #1 since it belongs to Street Fighter II. I could care less for the other games. Phuck Soul Calibur, Tekken, DOA, VR5, KI, MKII, GGxx, Super Smash,..etc..

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