No Child Left Behind

[random guy]

1. There is no direct threat in Europe or its immediate environs anymore.

 

2. Yeah, a long time right 6-12 weeks depending on the department and, depending on which department again additional training 2-3 monthes.

 

3. Crumbling reasons huh?. I'll give you one, Saddam's systematic executions, eradication of the kurds, mass graves. All on top of being a hostile dictator.

 

1000 US casualties in this war. A fraction of what was lost in Vietnam. Nice comparison. Yeah, war is a bad thing. So you're pretty much saying we never should've deposed Hitler, Moussolini, etc.

 

BTW I noticed you're not American. So call the WHAAAAmbulance.

 

Now stop your false analogies and your sass.

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The US army is in fact so over-stretched that people are being sent back to iraq when they are wounded, and also the rule thingy that lets people serve the rest of their term at home after their done overseas is being cancelled. Its so overstretched that reserves are being sent to iraq- reserves are supposed to stay at home and defend the homefront. Explain that to me, then tell me that another war would not force the draft to be reinstated unless the army were to become so overstretched they'd collapse.

 

There's two sets of numbers here, the numbers of wounded soldiers being sent back into active combat after basically getting a band-aid, and the numbers of reserve soldiers being sent off to active duty, then there's the numbers the army proudly displays to try to propagandise people like you.

Edited October 15, 2004 by random guy

[Gryph]

Build a better Bush: http://www.fh-worms.de/~ebm245/BuildabetterBush.htm

 

[Weirdy]

I swear, there better not be a fuucken draft

[random guy]

A little reading for you, NeuronMaster

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1314304,00.html

 

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20083/

 

From the second one:

Speaker after speaker at the conference sponsored by the Association of the United States Army, the Center for American Progress and the Center for Peace and Security Studies described the current situation in the Guard and Reserve. The news was not good. In what John Kerry has called a "back-door draft," thousands of Guard and Reserve soldiers are being barred from leaving the supposedly "all volunteer" force when their voluntary service periods are over. Men and women who joined understanding they would be part-time warriors are deploying to combat as much as or more than their active-duty counterparts. A host of elected leaders, senior military officers, government officials and defense policy experts mostly painted a dismal picture of military reserves pushed to the breaking point because of the war in Iraq, and because of the Bush administration’s stubborn refusal to increase the size of the active-duty force.

[L.S.D]

Whoa, Violence. You are the one who start the thread "Vote for Kerry!"

[Gryph]

Whoa, Violence. You are the one who start the thread "Vote for Kerry!"

 

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He was being sarcastic. You need to improve your sarcasm meter.

[KyokugenKiss]

haha

 

I still dont consider this whole Iraq thing war, it was never declared...it is Vietnam all over again....and i hear if they reinstate it will be much harder to dodge it, HA HA HA, I laugh because im a dual citizen! i'll be soo outta here!

 

but its soo obvious that they will oneday do it, i mean why the hell is there still a selective service!

[Skythe]

Bush is not reinstating the draft. The Democrats put out a fake email to college students by scaring them with false facts that if Bush stays in office then they will get drafted.

[NeuronMaster]

Bush is not reinstating the draft. The Democrats put out a fake email to college students by scaring them with false facts that if Bush stays in office then they will get drafted.

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Exactly what I've been saying, getting ignorant kids to vote liberal with scare tactics.

 

Ranbom Guy: You have ignored all the facts I have given you. Do you even know what a retention rate is? It's soldiers staying in the army. Some of the people who get injured and go home, yes they do go home, want to go back. Maybe down in Australia you guys don't have that companionship, but we Americans do. Whine all you want.

 

Propaganga numbers? Neh. False. American wounded troops adds up to around 7,000 Even our wounded troops can't possibly add up to the people that Saddam killed in his 25 year reign.

 

Random Guy: I'll say it again. You aren't American, so stay out of it.

No Body count

1,000 casualities and only 7,000 wounded is unheard of in war.

Only 7,000 injured. And all branches are exceeding 100% of their recruitment goals, and all branches are experiencing all-time highs in retention rates.

I'm not sure about you Australians, but America does not need a draft with those statistics.

 

And we didn't go in for Oil.

Our (America's) GDP is almost 12 trillion dollars. You have to add the next six nations (Japan, UK, Germany, Italy, france and China) to roughly equal America's alone. What is Iraq's GDP? 18 billion. America produces that much (18 billion) every 14 hours! Our GDP is around 6,000 times the size of Iraq's. The coalition needs 4 billion per month for operations, supplies and reconstruction. According to the "No Oil For Blood" paranoid crowd, we'd therefore be spending 4 billion per month for 1.5 billion in oil. We've spent in excess of 300 billion dollars which would dictate we wait 15 years to get our money back (and thats just considering what we've spent thus far)! Alright! What a great investment! And that's only in the case that we are "stealing" all the oil or money of Iraq, while as a matter of fact, all the money that oil yields is spent to provide food, medications and of course to pay salaries to the Iraqis.

 

The aims of the war were freeing the Iraqi people, eliminating saddam, fighting state sponsored terrorism and spreading freedom and democracy in the middle east. We're trying to turn Iraq into the jewel of the middle east.

 

Let's take a look at John Kerry's voting record, he claims he has a 'master' plan to fix everything. Let's take a long look at what history says that plan will be.

http://john-kerry.tonyspencer.com/john-ker...ting-record.htm

The Massachusetts senator voted against defense appropriations bills that included money for weapons such as the Patriot missile, the Tomahawk cruise missile and the B-2 stealth bomber — all of which military leaders say have become integral to the U.S. force and were crucial to winning the 1991 Gulf war and last year's war in Iraq.

 

http://www.outdoorsunlimited.net/cgi-bin/n...i?id=1090945371

 

Democrat from Massachusetts says he is strongest Presidential Candidate

on National Defense!

He said Check the Record.. We Did! Here is what we learned.

 

 

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle

 

 

He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank

 

 

He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988

 

 

He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system

(used by the Navy to protect against ship killing missiles!!)

 

 

He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle (considered by everyone to be

the top aerial fighter in the sky today!)

 

 

He voted to Kill the Block of 60 F-16 Fighter aircraft

 

 

He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade (Submarine patrol aircraft--YES! some smaller countries now have subs!!)

 

 

He voted to Kill the B-1 Bomber (A staple in our bomber fleet along with the B-2)

 

 

He voted to Kill the B-2

 

 

He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system

 

 

He voted to Kill the FA-18 (A top Navy fighter/attack aircraft!!)

 

 

He voted to Kill the F117!! (this is our night flying stealth bomber!!)

 

 

He voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988, INCLUDING a bill for battle armor for our troops!!!!!

 

 

It is most likely, if Sen. John Kerry is elected as President and Commander in Chief

of our Armed Services, that they will literally cease to function

making it impossible for our country to protect itself, let alone be able

to assist those who may truly need our help!!

 

 

John Kerry voted to kill all anti-terrorism activities of each and every agency

of the U.S. Government.

 

 

He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%,

 

 

He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%,

 

 

He voted to cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.

 

http://www.rushonline.com/kerry/kerryvotingrecord.htm

 

In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs.

 

He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.

 

But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!!

 

Is THIS a President YOU want?

[random guy]

Okay, so you must very much enjoy your right-wing propaganda hey Neuron?

 

The real reason for the invasion of iraq WAS oil. Oil and every other industry Iraq had to offer. There are classified documents which have leaked out of the white house detailing the plans to privatise the whole of Iraq, in order to put the entire country in the hands of American businessmen. And the worst part about this? Those plans were made up in 2001, and that was a year before Bush had even mentioned going to war.

 

And of course the reason Osama Bin Laden hasn't been caught yey was that Osama Bin Laden is in fact the son of one of the Bush family's most generous campaign contributers and closest friends, Salem bin Landen. And there's ample evidence to support that a large proportion of al Qaeda's funding comes from Salem bin Laden and other Saudi Arabian royal family members.

 

This war was both an exercise in big business playing war (Ken Lay who heads Enron is in fact a long-standing friend of both George Sr and Junior, and all the companies that now have a hand in the very lucrative contract of rebuilding Iraq were major campaign donators to the Bush family) and a way to distract attention away from Osama bin Laden, and therefore so bush can keep toadying up to Salem bin Laden.

 

See what you seem to fail to understand is that sure this war is costing a fortune - but that money is coming from the taxpayers- ie you poor suckers. For big business involved in the reconstruction of the country, it's a wet dream - nothing but wall to wall profits. They in turn will keep bribing...erm making "campaign contributions" to Bush, and everybody wins.

 

Except the taxpayers.

 

And the 95% of the American public who aren't rich and therefore won't see a cent from Iraq.

 

And the soldiers.

 

And the people of Iraq.

 

And muslims in general who are being demonized.

 

And yes, your army is right now incredibly overstretched. Did you even read what I posted? People are being sent back to fight while wounded. People are being involuntarily sent back to fight even after they've served their tour. Pregnant women are being called up to active duty. It's madness.

 

And even if all your propaganda numbers were true, ask yourself, how many consecutive wars do you really think the US can be involved with simultaneously? Four more years of Bush would mean likely mean four more wars. Coupled with Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which require heavy commitments of soldiers already, how on earth do you think that you will be able to build up that sort of army without reintroducing conscription? At the very least, it would leave the home-front perilously undefended, meaning if you were invaded you'd be screwed.

[NeuronMaster]

Everything in my previous post counters the bullshit you provided.

 

You aren't American. Shut up and sit down.

[random guy]

Everything in my previous post counters the bullshit you provided.

 

You aren't American. Shut up and sit down.

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Read harder. This war is all about big business making bucks, but the problem is the cannon fodder (american citizens) are wearing thin. Therefore conscription will have to be introduced so more of you blockheads can get shipped off to stand in front of rocket launchers so that big business can make more money, while they all the while have a warm glow inside because they believe in the president - that is until the rocket explodes and their insides get splattered all over the outside. One more victim of an unjust war so that big business can line their pockets over the suffering of common citizens.

[NeuronMaster]

Everything in my previous post counters the bullshit you provided.

 

You aren't American. Shut up and sit down.

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Read harder. This war is all about big business making bucks, but the problem is the cannon fodder (american citizens) are wearing thin. Therefore conscription will have to be introduced so more of you blockheads can get shipped off to stand in front of rocket launchers so that big business can make more money, while they all the while have a warm glow inside because they believe in the president - that is until the rocket explodes and their insides get splattered all over the outside. One more victim of an unjust war so that big business can line their pockets over the suffering of common citizens.

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You ignorant child.

The war is not about Oil, get it through your head.

Our (America's) GDP is almost 12 trillion dollars. You have to add the next six nations (Japan, UK, Germany, Italy, france and China) to roughly equal America's alone. What is Iraq's GDP? 18 billion. America produces that much (18 billion) every 14 hours! Our GDP is around 6,000 times the size of Iraq's. The coalition needs 4 billion per month for operations, supplies and reconstruction. According to the "No Oil For Blood" paranoid crowd, we'd therefore be spending 4 billion per month for 1.5 billion in oil. We've spent in excess of 300 billion dollars which would dictate we wait 15 years to get our money back (and thats just considering what we've spent thus far)! Alright! What a great investment! And that's only in the case that we are "stealing" all the oil or money of Iraq, while as a matter of fact, all the money that oil yields is spent to provide food, medications and of course to pay salaries to the Iraqis.

[random guy]

I've already told you, the costs of the iraq war come from the taxpayers, but the profits of invading, and much more importantly, reconstructing Iraq flow straight into the private sector - big business. They, in turn keep giving Bush kickbacks.

There's no money in the Iraq war for you. The taxpayer will never see any flowback or if they do it will be pitifuful compared to the amount of money it cost.

Edited October 16, 2004 by random guy

[Skythe]

Facts no one knows.

 

 

 

Both Kerry and Edwards at first voted for the war on Iraq as they were given the exact same intel as President Bush. As time went on, they saw the oppotunity and switched to against it to one up some of the American people that disagreed with the war.

 

Not even 72 hours after Christopher Reeves died, the Democrats decided to use him in an attempt to win some voters. They said that Bush hasn't and never cared for Stem Cell Research. That Kerry does and if he wins then everyone with Paralysis, Diabetes, etc will instantly be cured. NEWS FLASH!! Bush has been the ONLY president to fund the Stem Cell Research. Clinton had banded it. Plus, there are yet any cures using Stem Cell Research.

 

That whole thing about the war being about oil is a big pile of Micheal Moore. Stop dramatizing life with bullsh!t.

 

You only know it's a lie if you know the truth. If you don't know the truth, then it's not a lie.