Evolution vs. Creation

[Jjangthekid]

I'm not trying to prove Creationism wrong, I'm just trying to show which makes more sense in the light of science now. It's the same way around for you, you can't prove evolution but you can try to make sense of it through religion. I choose to take the science way, you choose religion.

 

And about science proving religion wrong recently, it's kind of tough since most religions  don't try to preach science anymore. They got out of that business a long time ago.

no.you guys could try to prove creationism wrong.its alright. its a free country.. lol. im getting "enlightened" with the things that you guys are telling me. no problem. man

 

And about science proving religion wrong recently, it's kind of tough since most religions  don't try to preach science anymore. They got out of that business a long time ago.

 

that shouldn't matter though??.right?.. if a scientist see's something thats not provable (which is everything) they it has to be fake..and so they go through that scientific process again and starting from there..debate arises..

[taratata]

I'm not trying to prove Creationism wrong, I'm just trying to show which makes more sense in the light of science now. It's the same way around for you, you can't prove evolution but you can try to make sense of it through religion. I choose to take the science way, you choose religion.

 

And about science proving religion wrong recently, it's kind of tough since most religions  don't try to preach science anymore. They got out of that business a long time ago.

no.you guys could try to prove creationism wrong.its alright. its a free country.. lol. im getting "enlightened" with the things that you guys are telling me. no problem. man

 

And about science proving religion wrong recently, it's kind of tough since most religions  don't try to preach science anymore. They got out of that business a long time ago.

 

that shouldn't matter though??.right?.. if a scientist see's something thats not provable (which is everything) they it has to be fake..and so they go through that scientific process again and starting from there..debate arises..

A free country? Is Internet a country? Btw, may I ask you what country you are from?

 

A scientist doesn't consider something fake when it cannot be proven, but only when it is proven wrong.

[Agozer]

Let's just say that people believe what they want to believe, nothing wrong with that.

So why go through these heated debates when both sides are right and wrong?

[Jjangthekid]

I'm not trying to prove Creationism wrong, I'm just trying to show which makes more sense in the light of science now. It's the same way around for you, you can't prove evolution but you can try to make sense of it through religion. I choose to take the science way, you choose religion.

 

And about science proving religion wrong recently, it's kind of tough since most religions  don't try to preach science anymore. They got out of that business a long time ago.

no.you guys could try to prove creationism wrong.its alright. its a free country.. lol. im getting "enlightened" with the things that you guys are telling me. no problem. man

 

And about science proving religion wrong recently, it's kind of tough since most religions  don't try to preach science anymore. They got out of that business a long time ago.

 

that shouldn't matter though??.right?.. if a scientist see's something thats not provable (which is everything) they it has to be fake..and so they go through that scientific process again and starting from there..debate arises..

A free country? Is Internet a country? Btw, may I ask you what country you are from?

 

A scientist doesn't consider something fake when it cannot be proven, but only when it is proven wrong.

free country..freedom of speech??.. freedom of expressing your ideas?..

 

were you not in highschool? didnt pass constitution test?..

 

and im from korea.

[taratata]

A free country? Is Internet a country? Btw, may I ask you what country you are from?

 

A scientist doesn't consider something fake when it cannot be proven, but only when it is proven wrong.

free country..freedom of speech??.. freedom of expressing your ideas?..

 

were you not in highschool? didnt pass constitution test?..

 

and im from korea.

Constitution test? Like the US constitution test? You just said you live in Korea. Is that right or are you living in the US and you have korean origins?

I was in the equivalent of highschool in my country, and no I didn't pass the US constitution test. Do you really think that there are only americans posting here?

[Gryph]

Wait...why is freedom of speech even coming up? This is the Intarweb so their is freedom of speech.

[STUFF]

Let me explain my point nice and simple.

 

Evolution believes that all life came from one single organism. That we share dna with whatever and we are related to it.

 

My point? In the history of humanity no one has been ever able to prove that one KIND of animal came from another KIND of animal. Yes, they show tons of similarities (which kinda prove that they were all created by the same creator actually) but it is all just belief.

 

Evolutionists belief that because of all the similarities, we must be related.

 

Creationists Belief that we were all created.

 

It is all a Belief system. You must have as much Faith as a Christian to believe in Evolution. You just have faith in other things.

 

Science, please don't say Chirstians don't believe in science. I love science, 99% of science is good.

 

The Bible has always been the same. Sience however is always trying to explain that which it can't. And as soon as they fall into a place where they don't know where to go, they change their theories.

 

Science has never been able to prove the Bible wrong though.

 

Hehe, a couple of years ago I read this article on the news about these scientists were so surprised because these stars had gone away from their star family in the span of 10 years. They said they couldn't believe it because this process usually takes over a thousand years.

 

I found it funny because, here they are looking at it happen in 10 years, they have the proof that it has happened in 10 years, but they say this is wrong because normally it takes over a thousand. They have no proof whatsoever that it should take 1,000 years. But they'll consider this some kind of cosmic mistake even though there is the proof.

 

So back to my point. In the history of Mankind, has there ever been proof of one KIND of animal producing another KIND of animal? Has a dog ever produced a non dog? We have many types of Dogs, yes, but they are still Dogs. Same with all KINDS of animals.

 

Again, it's all just Faith. Discussing this here is totally useless for we are just both insulting each others faith.

 

When you look around, you'll see a lot more proof against evolution than Creationism. There are many different stories of the flood in many different countries. All involving a man who put a bunch of animals in a boat and a flood came. There are many legends of men Killing Dragons (which is what Dinosaurs were called before they made the word Dinosaur in the 1800s). Even the Bible describes a Dragon. Pictures of Dinosaurs in caves (hmm, must have seen it to draw it).

 

However, Evolutionists don't like the belief that they are not in control. So they don't like to believe that they have a creator. Because when you have a creator you can't do whatever you want. No, you have someone to explain your actions to. They don't like that so they decide to not believe in it. But if you don't believe in God, then where did all this come from? So they have to make up answers. Answers that require as much faith (more even) than believing in God. But it's ok for them, they can believe that, because it doesn't involve God, therefore they still keep total control of their lives and they still get to do whatever they want.

[Jjangthekid]

A free country? Is Internet a country? Btw, may I ask you what country you are from?

 

A scientist doesn't consider something fake when it cannot be proven, but only when it is proven wrong.

free country..freedom of speech??.. freedom of expressing your ideas?..

 

were you not in highschool? didnt pass constitution test?..

 

and im from korea.

Constitution test? Like the US constitution test? You just said you live in Korea. Is that right or are you living in the US and you have korean origins?

I was in the equivalent of highschool in my country, and no I didn't pass the US constitution test. Do you really think that there are only americans posting here?

korean origins and living in us. well dont you consider yourself.. "something - american".. im just korean.i dont call myself korean-american..

[Fatal Rose]

[Gryph]

Just because you fail to understand the scientific principles doesn't make it wrong.

 

The fact that we have these similarities is exactly what makes evolution a more viable theory. Take a few advanced classes and learn stuff before you try to argue. I went to Catholic school and learned all about Creationism and it just doesn't make as much sense. And evolutionists believe we were created, just not at one moment by God just a few thousand years ago. We were created by an ongoing process of evolution.

 

Unlike religion, science doesn't claim that it has all the answers which is why we try to understand the unknown. And scientific theories are RARELY overturned because it is HARD for something to even become a theory.

 

Science isn't out to prove the Bible wrong, it is out to make sense of the world we live in. If science sometimes contradicts the Bible, so be it. Many scientists are people who believe in God and know how to separate proper thought from bullshit.

 

So back to my point. In the history of Mankind, has there ever been proof of one KIND of animal producing another KIND of animal? Has a dog ever produced a non dog? We have many types of Dogs, yes, but they are still Dogs. Same with all KINDS of animals.

Ok...I'll give an example for vertebrates. First vertebrates were marine, lacking jaws or paired fins (550 mya). Jawed fishes then became dominant creatures in the sea (450 mya). Amphibian ancestors first to invade the land (400 mya). Largely replaced by reptiles more suited to live on land (300 mya). Dinosaurs and other reptiles ruled the earth for 150 million years and their extinction (65 mya) allowed mammals to become dominant. Here is a progression of features: Craniates, ghantosomes, teleostomes, tetrapods, amniotes, mammary glands.

 

Since major breakthroughs in biology basically started in the mid to late 1800s, we're still advancing. You can't blame science for not having answers yet since we are still working on it.

 

You're talking like ALL people that believe in evolution are Godless motherflockers and ALL people who believe in God believe in Creationism. You are GRAVELY mistaken.

 

And the stories about floods and dragons isn't worth mentioning since peopel back then were idiots. Even bigger idiots than we are now.

 

Let's just retire this arguement because I've got too much work to do right now.

[Gryph]

taratata lives in France so he is French-French.

[Agozer]

taratata lives in France so he is French-French.

WTF?

 

EDIT: Oh, I get it now.

Edited September 11, 2004 by Agozer

[Jjangthekid]

ooh..rofl.. my bad..and yes i think this thread should be closed now..

 

although I'm taught to evangelize..I guess I need more knowledge of both sides before I argue/debate..

 

hey can't Gryph or Agozer close this?>.you guys do have power.dont you?

[Gryph]

I don't think this thread is ready to be closed yet...it's not THAT bad. If Kanti thinks this is enough for his project then it can be closed or just left alone.

Edited September 11, 2004 by GryphonKlaw

[Agozer]

I don't think this thread is ready to be closed yet...it's not THAT bad. If Kanti thinks this is enough for his project then it can be closed or just left alone.

While this thread isn't so bad, I think it has served it's purpose for now. If you need to add something, or Kanti wants it re-opened, then by all means open it again.

Edited September 11, 2004 by Agozer