U.S. Soldier Riddles Koran With Bullets In Iraq

[Jitway]

An American soldier has been disciplined and ordered from Iraq, the U.S. military said on Sunday, for using a copy of the Koran for target practice at a shooting range near Baghdad.

 

Such an act of desecration of the Muslim holy book could inflame anger against the U.S. military presence in Iraq, but an Iraqi community leader told Reuters an apology by senior American military commanders had helped calm tensions.

 

Saeed al-Zubaie, head of a U.S.-allied Sunni Arab tribal council in the area where the Koran was found, said the book had been used as target practice. It was peppered with 14 bullet holes and offensive language had been scrawled inside, he said.

 

"I was feeling bitterness, but as long as they apologized we are OK with them. Our anger has cooled," said Zubaie, adding that Sunni Arab tribal units who work alongside U.S. forces in the area had threatened to quit unless the military took action.

 

The U.S. television news network CNN said U.S. commanders were met by hundreds of protesters when they went to the village of Radwaniya near Baghdad to deliver the apology.

 

Colonel Bill Buckner, a U.S. military spokesman, said commanders were ordered to swiftly investigate after Iraqi police found the Koran on May 11 at a firing range in Radwaniya.

 

He described the incident as "serious and deeply troubling."

 

"Coalition commanders have briefed local leaders on the results of the investigation and expressed their deep regret," Buckner said in a statement.

 

"They have also undertaken disciplinary action against the soldier who was involved and he has been removed from Iraq."

 

Besides being shipped out of Iraq, it was not clear what other disciplinary action was being taken against the soldier.

 

CNN, which said it was present on Saturday when U.S. commanders made the apology in Radwaniya, said the soldier had been dismissed from his unit. His whereabouts were not immediately known.

 

In his statement, Buckner stressed that the U.S. military respected Islam and the Koran.

 

CNN said when Major-General Jeffery Hammond, the commander of U.S. troops in Baghdad, and other officers arrived to deliver the apology to local leaders in Radwaniya they were met by hundreds of protesting Sunni Arab tribesmen.

 

"I am a man of honor, I am a man of character. You have my word this will never happen again," Hammond told the crowd.

 

"In the most humble manner, I look into your eyes today and I say, please forgive me and my soldiers," CNN reported on its website.

 

It said Colonel Ted Martin, a brigade commander, held up a new copy of the Koran which he kissed and touched to his forehead as he handed it to the tribal elders.

 

"I hope that you'll accept this humble gift," Martin said.

 

 

 

 

Give me a flocking break. If this happened over here and say someone from Iran shot up a bible. Do you think we would make a big deal of it or call for a apology? Hell no, so he shot it up big deal. This is what happens when soldiers get bored. We are trying to help them and be their saviors. But oh no don't dare step on someones religious beliefs. WHATEVER. Also the Brigade commander kissed the new Koran. Telling you if I was that commander I never would have no way in bloody hell.

 

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[Sybarite Paladin AxL]

Yes, you probably would make a big deal out of it. And that "saviors" bit could do with a second opinion. Also, keep in mind, Iraq is not America just yet. It's gonna take a couple more years before they import your Wal-marts, KFCs, American Gladiators and the growing atheism trend.

[PBJ Power]

The one thing the Koran is good for is to be riddled with bullets since it was written by a false prophet.

[BlackKnight]

The one thing the Koran is good for is to be riddled with bullets since it was written by a false prophet.

Hmm, this strong sentiment might be offensive to some folks here.. but heh... I had my chuckle.

 

Agreed.

[Lucandrake]

Internet Statements are about as dependable as women with aids, useless.

[BlackKnight]

Not specific to this, but in terms of shooting things, why should a book be held more reverent than human life? Disciplinary action because he was meant to be gunning Muslims themselves but not their holy text?

 

Humans and their hypocrisy. Yeesh.

 

Not that I'm saying he shouldn't be shooting either, either, but it's a matter of degrees, people.

[Inky]

Yes, you probably would make a big deal out of it. And that "saviors" bit could do with a second opinion. Also, keep in mind, Iraq is not America just yet. It's gonna take a couple more years before they import your Wal-marts, KFCs, American Gladiators and the growing atheism trend.

 

you obviously know zero about America. we're so damn scared to offend we'd give the Muslims federal grants and free bullets. hang the bullet riddled bible in a museum and call it art along with the jar of feces.

 

Just about everything wrong in this world can be traced back to religion of one sort or another, We'll be alot better off as a species once we get over believing fairy tales.

My opinion on Iraq is get the hell out they can't figure it out. We can train a fat teen into a killing machine marine in 6 months. but we are still after all this time struggling to get their military into shape. its ridiculous.

[Alpha]

The one thing the Koran is good for is to be riddled with bullets since it was written by a false prophet.

It sounds to me like you know who the true prophet is.

 

IMO, this kind of crap causes wars. What do you think fueled the select few people in Iraq to switch to terrorism? The images of Abu-Grahib was the biggest motivational factor and that came out of John McCain's mouth. Some books are holy, you just got to deal with it, and respect it.

 

It would offend people equally if it was the Torah or Bible. It doesn't matter if you don't believe it, but it's also a test of your own morals. Can you demonstrate self control and reasoning that you might offend someone if you desecrate something that has meaning to people?

 

It's not about religion, it's about YOU.

[solidius23]

i dont see why people get so angry over a piece of reading material, burning a book shouldnt but it always does offend someone, its not the book that should establish your faith in a god or what ever you believe thats should be in your own mind and heart that establishes that. im a christian but once again i repeat religion has got to be one of the leading causes of arguments and wars and a lot of other crap in this world.

[emsley]

Any religion that operates with fear can go suck a bible.

[Elazul Yagami]

Wow,

I never knew 1Emulation was so fueled with anti-islam sentiment.

 

maybe i should get out of here before i'm hung and quartered or something?

 

 

point in hand, when you've already killed close to a million citizens of a country (500 thousand children alone died due to sanctions on medications, PRIOR to the invasion), raped it's citizens , and so forth, the last thing you want to do is offend their religion.

then again, it's not like you respected their sovereignty, chastity, history, culture....etc , so why would i expect you to respect their religion. Saviors indeed.

 

And Jitway, stop being a hypocrite. Last i recall, i didn't see any Iranian soilders walking around here occupying the usa, and calling it "liberation".

When you see that, and someone shoots a bible, you WILL make a big deal out of it.

[L.S.D]

Well, i guess Islam is the most misunderstood religion in the world, no doubt fuelled by the so-called "liberator for islam"/"terrorists". Example are few but it is enough to instill fear.

 

All religions promote peacefulness. It is us human who go and flock up the teaching and intepret it as God's will to purge others of their beliefs.

 

About shooting other religious books, I believe the Bible was destroyed countless times. I remember specifically Marilyn Manson do that. Did the Christianity community bay for his head? Condemned the act, yes, but not asking for his head. The Bible, the Christianity has been made fun of many times in countless ways but does the community feel the need to pursue "justice"?

 

What I am trying to say here is Muslims always overacting or too easily provoked or short tempered. Case of example: the "perceived" insult of Muhammad in a cartoon by the Holland newspaper. Immediately, Muslims around the world crying for blood and "justice".

 

Tell me which religion is giving off the negative images here?

 

I do understand that Islam is all about peace, patience etc etc. But the actions of Muslims did not promote the religion so.

[Elazul Yagami]

again, when marilyn manson is occupying your country, THEN you can ask me if someone overreacts or not.

and actually, they DID ask for his head... they didn't get it, but they asked for it.

 

so where's the problem? that the heads of the council asked for the solider to be punished and not just given a slap on the wrist?

 

i'm a muslim, and others like me haven't gone to the call of "blood" as you say... so how are you grouping "iraqi muslims" into "a community"?

 

besides, they said they would stop assisting the us military unless they got an apology... would you really want to work with someone that disrespects you?

 

 

jerry falwell,

ann coulter.

people that won't vote for obama cause they think he's a muslim, george bush (a very religious christian accordingly) proclaiming a "crusade", christian people that sign up to the usa miltiary specifically cause 'they want to kill muslims and sand niggers"

Pat Robinson....etc

 

doesn't seem like the actions of christians are doing much to prove that christianity is a peaceful religion now either eh?

 

give ANYTHING enough media and publicity and it'll immediately make a mountain out of a molehill.

[BlackKnight]

so where's the problem? that the heads of the council asked for the solider to be punished and not just given a slap on the wrist?

i'm a muslim, and others like me haven't gone to the call of "blood" as you say... so how are you grouping "iraqi muslims" into "a community"?

He never specified Iraqis. He said Muslims, the vocal Muslims, call for blood. And they do. For every little thing. It's all about symbolism with them, or so it would seem. Muslims being slaughtered out in the desert? Meh- war's war. But draw our prophet or shoot our holy work and we'll kick up a stink about it.

 

besides, they said they would stop assisting the us military unless they got an apology... would you really want to work with someone that disrespects you?

Who disrespects them? The entire US military? No. Just the one soldier. Why should the institution apologise on his behalf?

 

Oh wait a second...

 

Are you now taking the view that the act of the individual is entirely representative of the group?

 

If so, who cares that you don't call for blood? Who cares if not all Muslims are the same? The vocal ones who cause a ruckus in the media and the ones who fly planes into towers should be enough of a basis for us to judge them all.

 

Right?

 

jerry falwell,

ann coulter.

people that won't vote for obama cause they think he's a muslim, george bush (a very religious christian accordingly) proclaiming a "crusade", christian people that sign up to the usa miltiary specifically cause 'they want to kill muslims and sand niggers"

Pat Robinson....etc

 

doesn't seem like the actions of christians are doing much to prove that christianity is a peaceful religion now either eh?

And they all speak for Chistianity, do they?

 

Choose a position and stick to it, ffs. If you want to walk into a thread with this pissy knee-jerk disgruntled Muslim thing going on, don't shoot down people. Especially the more reasonable ones. Oath.

 

If this whole incident proves anything, its that the Muslims with big mouths are a touchy bunch. Exhibit 3 billion and 1; Mr. Yagami here.

 

maybe i should get out of here before i'm hung and quartered or something?

Maybe. Or maybe you should stay. Islam could always use more martyrs, right?

[Elazul Yagami]

You know Blackknight, i dunno but a statement like :

 

Maybe. Or maybe you should stay. Islam could always use more martyrs, right?

sounds VERY un-mod like. in fact, that could be very easily perceived as a threat and/or religious slur.

 

just to point something out, i've been here for quite some time, and i am quite well known to be level headed and mature. The nature of your response is quite.... well alarming considering you're a mod.

 

Anyway, back to the subject at hand.

 

I'm currently in the middle east.

i currently watch middle east tv and read mid east media.

I fail to see the "upheaval and call for blood" that you're talking about.

i haven't heard about ANYONE sans the iraqis even talking about this, UNLIKE the whole cartoon fiasco.

so what are you talking about exactly?

 

 

and yes, the institution SHOULD apologize for it, do you know why?

Islam doesn't have a command structure, it's not a political entity, no one is answerable to anyone (we don't have the Equiviliant of a pope).

in the army, a solider is the responsibility of his commanding officer, and so on and so forth. in fact, i'd be surprised if his seniors didn't turn to him and say "ARE YOU BLOODY STUPID?! DO YOU WANT TO GET US KILLED?!" and whacked him on the head with a clue stick.

 

If you fail to see that the military is responsible for an apology, then i guess Japan really should NEVER EVER EVER apologize for the "comfort women" in china by the Japanese now should they? I mean, why should the japanese military/government apologize for actions taken by some of it's soliders and commanders?

 

This is about IRAQI MUSLIMS asking for an apology from AMERICAN SOLDIERS for an act of disrespect to the people they're sided with. Did any violence occur from this act? not that i've heard of no. Has anyone been murdered/embassies blown up over the act....etc? again not that i've heard of... so hmm, maybe asking for an apology IS the levelheaded thing to do?

i didn't see them asking british or coalition troops for an apology now did they? why? cause they didn't do crap!

 

Again, the leaders asking for an apology from their supposed allies is fine and dandy, the people calling for blood? some iraqi muslims and some muslims, not leaders .. but then again, all those racists killing and attacking and insulting muslims on a regular basis in the USA aren't representatives of the us or the us military now are they?

 

so make up your mind.