Bill of rights...what a joke

[Explosive Misanthropy]

Also what I was trying to say, is that so many people biatch, and biatch, and biatch about our government, saying how bad bush is...but don't do anything cause they don't know that they can. It's got a lot to do with the fact that most of America who aren't "illegal" immigrants or whatever....are too lazy.

 

Even though, we shouldn't have to deal with "illegal" immigrants...because aren't we all illegal immigrants anyway...if you aren't native American....?

 

the only thing that I don't like about them is that they whistle at me when I walk down the street, or they blabber really fast in Spanish...for no reason, when they know English.

[taratata]

I don't think I had ever read the bill of rights entirely; now it's done. However, I don't see how it wouldn't allow what you call socialized medicine:

socialized medicine

–noun

any of various systems to provide the entire population with complete medical care through government subsidization and regularization of medical and health services

 

Actually, I fail to see how a system aiming at providing the entire population with complete medical care would be bad.

 

Maybe these immigrants are blabbering really fast in spanish because spanish is their native language and that they speak it better than english. Or did I misunderstand and you meant that they spoke spanish to you?

 

You're right that immigrants don't need to be "dealt with". They help the U.S. economy to the point that without them, it would collapse. Taking immigrants as scapegoats is unfortunately a problem common to most rich countries.

[Explosive Misanthropy]

it's not that it's a bad Idea, it's the fact that the people will become more dependent on the government other than themselves, giving them more power to control us

[taratata]

If you worry about the government's power to control you, I think you should be more worried by this kind of stuff than by social welfare.

[Gryph]

Socialized medicine is a very touchy subject. As a future physician I would love to see everyone to be able to go to a doctor when they're sick but also see doctors when they're not sick to prevent future illness. Prevention is one of the major things that I think the current health system really needs to move towards. However, the way the system is set up in the US goes totally against everyone getting the same amount of care.

 

But it is also important to realize that healthcare, like everything else, is a limited resource so there is a scarcity. In our free market society, all scare goods lead to conflict which leads to choice on how those resources have to be spent. We do not live in an ideal world where anything, even health care, can be made to violate that just because we feel bad that not everyone is getting equal care. There are a limited number of doctors, nurses, physicians assistants, nurses assistants, limited time, limited medicine, limited gauze, limited hospital beds, limited everything so all of those resources have to be parceled out in some way and that way in this country is who has the most money and best insurance.

 

I don't think the current US system is the right way to go. There is so much wasted money and time in this system it is ridiculous. But I don't know what the right system would be so I have no answers on that. And no, the Canadian system is not the best or end all be all of healthcare systems.

 

Please keep this topic alive till next Tuesday which is when I can dedicate more time to discuss this because I have my final test of the semester on Tuesday morning and I really really really really have to study from now till then.

[Krosigrim]

I don't think I had ever read the bill of rights entirely; now it's done. However, I don't see how it wouldn't allow what you call socialized medicine:

Well it deprives the doctors their constitutional right to free enterprise.

 

What would happen, is the government would decide where what funds are spent. This socialized medicine would cost a STAGGERING NUMBER. Inconceivable. And I don't like this idea, because of the proven costs, from the "tax payers dollars" like a 15,000 dollar extravagantly carved wooden desk. And every other bullshit purchase of the like, on our dollar.

 

I hurt my back last Thursday. I am under sooo much stress, my back has been ridiculously tight. Well I leaned forward, and Flocked up my back. Well I made a claim today, for workmans comp. When I visit Centra Care tomorrow, they are going to drug test me. I don't do drugs anymore, BUT, If I smoked some weed 2 weeks ago, it would show up. And thus, they can deny me workmans comp. Even though smoking weed 2 weeks ago, would have NO impact on judgment. Nor would it have any impact on judgment a day after. Forcing me to float it on my bill, which just isn't right.

 

So what I am inclined to think, is that there will be generalized rules and conditions, that can reject someone with particular circumstances. And rules without exemptions, is foolish.

 

For instance. I let my insurance lapse twice. When you don't have insurance, they suspend your license. Well I was driving on a suspended license and got pulled over a FEW times. Well I had to show up in court. The Judge told me, that I had to get my license in 30 days, or I was going to jail. Well I spent 500 dollars re-instating my license, and another 450 dollars on various necessities. Insurance, tag, bla bla. Well I went back to court, and had my license, it cost me almost 1000 bucks. Well I didn't go to jail, but 3 weeks later, I got a notice in the mail, that my license was suspended again, due to points. (being pulled over 3 times) I had no idea, But I guess it is my place to know such things. Anyway, the note stated that this was my 3rd suspension in 5 years, therefore labeling me a habitual. Meaning I can't drive for leisure, for 5 years. I can't even take my girl out to dinner!!!! It cost me 1000 bucks, for nothing more that staying out of jail. It's my fault, but FLOCK THAT! There are people who drive drunk, and cause terrible tragedies, that are still aloud to drive!!! Sure this is my fault, but I feel that I am overlooked from the "NORM' and the law leaves little to no exception for people, that fall through the cracks. I have spoke to a few officials, and I get no help.

 

This is what I fear when things are governed so generally.

 

AND I do not agree with the way things are going now, medically. I have no answers. Perhaps that is the problem. We don't like something, and do know we can do something, but what the hell are you going to do? What? WHAT? It's like Jinga. Pull the wrong piece, and the damn thing falls over.

 

I have so much to say, but who doesn't. So I digress.

[OverlordMondo]

We can't fight against the government. They're stronger than us. They've already won. They're going to milk us and squeeze us and drain us of assets to pad their luxurious homes and 90% of the population is going to enjoy it.

[Explosive Misanthropy]

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

 

We can't fight against the government. They're stronger than us. They've already won. They're going to milk us and squeeze us and drain us of assets to pad their luxurious homes and 90% of the population is going to enjoy it.

 

 

 

Actually we can, people are just too lazy to do something about it.

[Robert]

They don't want to be tazared

[Skythe]

I blame Oprah or The Pope whichever is easiest.

[Explosive Misanthropy]

I blame George Bush...hahahaha, no I don't I'm only kidding, I think that the poor guy has been blamed for enough things...like global warming and what not.....

 

I blame TV, Computers, sex, and obesity...you know, things that generally keep you indoors.

[OverlordMondo]

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

 

We can't fight against the government. They're stronger than us. They've already won. They're going to milk us and squeeze us and drain us of assets to pad their luxurious homes and 90% of the population is going to enjoy it.

 

 

 

Actually we can, people are just too lazy to do something about it.

Okay, so, since we're all just lazy. Give me a list of what's currently wrong with the government, and then tell me what I can do to change it.

[Explosive Misanthropy]

our government is greedy, and they're slowly taking all of our rights away.

 

and as far as doing something about it, people can get up off their butts, and

"protest"

 

We as a people, instead of as an individual, can come together and do something. I'm not asking anyone to, I'm just saying that no one can biatch about how bad things here are because they can indeed do something to change it. So..yeah....they can't biatch....pretty much....

[taratata]

Do you mean that they can't biatch about rights being taken away and people doing nothing about it?

 

More seriously, do you plan on voting next year? Voting is a good way to change things, except of course if the vote is falsified. Or except if you want to impose your will to a majority of people; that would be totalitarism.

[OverlordMondo]

our government is greedy, and they're slowly taking all of our rights away.

 

and as far as doing something about it, people can get up off their butts, and

"protest"

 

We as a people, instead of as an individual, can come together and do something. I'm not asking anyone to, I'm just saying that no one can biatch about how bad things here are because they can indeed do something to change it. So..yeah....they can't biatch....pretty much....

Oh, my god, you're right! We're not limited to sitting on our asses and bitching. We can get up, go stand out in the cold, and biatch as a group! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?!