'Intelligent design' teaching ban

[Bobdrakke]

During election time when Bush took the presidency, he had campaigns saying going against Bush is going against God.

 

I not having a go at you but is this not biased and manipulating to people who have a belief in God.

 

Indirectly the fighting of the new evil of terrorism wanting to take our freedom. Has changed the opinion of most people mostly negative towards the moslem/muslim fatih.

[Elazul Yagami]

i really don't get what the big deal is.

 

firstly, why does evolution go against intellegent design?

what makes anyone believe that the higher being didn't create the initial form of everything, and let it thrive on it's own? (you know, like A.I, you give the basics, and then the system starts to learn on it's own)

 

secondly

why not make it a choice matter?

freedom=freedom of choice.

NOT "having someone else's choice imposed on me"

 

saying no religion in school, is saying people who want religon in school aren't allowed to get what they want, while people who DON"T want religion in school get what they want.

 

so why not make it a choice thing? each student's parents sign a form that says if they want it or not.

then they split the students or something.

 

that way, both sides when, no one loses, freedom is kept intact.

[Elazul Yagami]

During election time when Bush took the presidency, he had campaigns saying going against Bush is going against God.

 

I not having a go at you but is this not biased and manipulating to people who have a belief in God. 

 

Indirectly the fighting of the new evil of terrorism wanting to take our freedom. Has changed the opinion of most people mostly negative towards the moslem/muslim fatih.

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i remember in an old quote or something, that someone said along the lines of "america cannot thrive without it's enemies".

[OverlordMondo]

During election time when Bush took the presidency, he had campaigns saying going against Bush is going against God.

 

I not having a go at you but is this not biased and manipulating to people who have a belief in God. 

 

Indirectly the fighting of the new evil of terrorism wanting to take our freedom. Has changed the opinion of most people mostly negative towards the moslem/muslim fatih.

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The Government isn't officially affiliated with any religion, but them and nearly all of america is a protestant christian. All but one of our presidents has been a protestant, and even the one who wasn't was still christian (catholic) and manged to cause a conspiracy of being controlled by the Pope.

 

Honestly, what points is there to teaching religion in school? If a parent wants their child to learn about some religion, it's probobly their religion, so they or other, higher standing, members of their religion can teach it.

 

If we were to teach any religion in school, we'd have to teach all of them for the same amount of time. That could be a day, a week, or more for every religion in existance. That's a lot of weeks. That could easily take up years of schooling. That's why it isn't taught in public school. There are plenty of college courses on religion and philosophy that any child can choose to take, and again, they could always just go to the relgion itself and ask to be taught its mantra.

[Ryuken]

i think religion is only good for teaching morals,and when people are fighting which religion is better or which one is the right one that's just dumb

 

i like Elazul Yagami's idea, about how we were created but then we started to evolve

[Dooz]

I still see no reason for religion.

[Weirdy]

secondly

why not make it a choice matter?

freedom=freedom of choice.

NOT "having someone else's choice imposed on me"

 

saying no religion in school, is saying people who want religon in school aren't allowed to get what they want, while people who DON"T want religion in school get what they want.

 

so why not make it a choice thing? each student's parents sign a form that says if they want it or not.

then they split the students or something.

 

that way, both sides when, no one loses, freedom is kept intact.

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I believe that is because public schools are overcrowded, and the clergy that would teach those classes would be paid with tax dollars

 

but more along the lines of public schools being overcrowded

[Dooz]

The reason that religion isn't taught in public schools is because public schools are government controlled, and anything government affiliated must be neutral on the stance of religion. Private schools can do what they want, however.

 

And if you were really concerned with your religion, you'd find time to teach the kids yourself. After all, being a parent is teaching the kid life lessons. Do your job, lazy bastards.

[Gryph]

i really don't get what the big deal is.

 

firstly, why does evolution go against intellegent design?

what makes anyone believe that the higher being didn't create the initial form of everything, and let it thrive on it's own? (you know, like A.I, you give the basics, and then the system starts to learn on it's own)

Intelligent design is a movement that basically says that stuff is too complex to have arisen from evolution. So in that sense they go against one another. But since you you are talking about the larger idea that a higher power created a universe which has "machinary" in which the laws of physics, biology, chemistry, etc. function then there isn't much conflict there. That is how many people, including many scientists, balance science and their faith. Evolution is not concerned with higher powers and stuff. I can only explain real world stuff. Anything extra you want to believe is up to you, don't expect science to help there. That's why it can't be taught in a science class room.

 

secondly

why not make it a choice matter?

freedom=freedom of choice.

NOT "having someone else's choice imposed on me"

 

saying no religion in school, is saying people who want religon in school aren't allowed to get what they want, while people who DON"T want religion in school get what they want.

 

so why not make it a choice thing? each student's parents sign a form that says if they want it or not.

then they split the students or something.

 

that way, both sides when, no one loses, freedom is kept intact.

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Well that's because of the constitution and also because of limited funds. There just isn't the time, resources, or space to do such things. Also, it shouldn't be up to the public school system to teach religion. It's up to the parents to do that. And parents have a choice because they can send their children to private school, teach them at home, or some kind of Sunday school. There are some schools that have philosophy classes and such but that's only in the well funded, upper class school districts where they can afford the teachers. That's another practical reason of how Intelligent Design in school is useless since there is such little exposure to any one topic in a high school biology class it's practically useless.

[Elazul Yagami]

i can understand the reasons, but then again, where does the tax money come from?

again, it's one person's "freedom" disallowing another person's "freedom"

 

however, doesn't the whole "no religon" in school thing, kinda become "anti-religon" period? i mean, i know alot of you don't care much for religon, but still, if you were into religon do you want your kids to go to a place where subtlely religon is made bad?

 

besides, what's next? applying a ban on religous symbols like france did?

[taratata]

In what way is not teaching about religion making religion bad?

 

You're saying that this goes against one's freedom of choice, choice to have religion taught in school. Would you say the same thing if some parents asked that "superiority of the white race" or some other bullshit be taught in school? Should school teach whatever any stupid parent ask?

 

Also, remember that ID would have been taught to all children, not just christian children.

[Elazul Yagami]

let me put it this way.

when something is constantly argued against, it starts taking a dark taint in people's minds.

[Gryph]

But it all comes down to the point that it's not up to the public school system to teach religion because they can't and they shouldn't. It's up to parents to teach it to their children if they want them to believe in it. That's what parenting is.

[Elazul Yagami]

But it all comes down to the point that it's not up to the public school system to teach religion because they can't and they shouldn't. It's up to parents to teach it to their children if they want them to believe in it. That's what parenting is.

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i agree actually.

i'm just looking at it from all points.

 

(for example, since hte two dominant religons in egypt are islam and christianity, my school used to have "religon class" in which we were split based on religon to learn our faith. we WERE however allowed to attend the other class to learn if we wished.