Dooz Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 Jiggs is a genius, everyone. You're running an emulation site. Essentially, you are supporting piracy. Why not shut 1Emulation down if you don't want to support anything illegal? No matter what, if you run an emulation site, you support illegal activities, even if you don't have any roms or bios uploaded. So stop freting about it. The worst that can happen is you'll get an email from Sega telling you to take off something.
Jiggs Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 Oh, this is fun. Someone replies here, and they reply over there. Maybe I should reg? To whoever pointed out the flaw in my analogy: Ok, so it would be like someone running a head shop recommending against certain pipes and bongs based on "moral grounds." There. Now it works. And I'm starting to suspect that Keith is saying everything he's saying with a wink and an nod. As Dooz said, the worst that will happen is that they'll get a take-down notice or something. So, it's really not all that big of a deal.
Gryph Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 What site are they replying at? Romshare? I want to read what they have to say.
Jiggs Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 EmuFanatics. Apparently, we're a bunch of idiots (excluding GC).
Wizard Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 Not the first time I've been called that...not the 50th time either :S
Jiggs Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) Ok, replying to Keith: I think that "keeping integrity" in something that is so closely related to illegal activity is kind of silly. The "illegal ROM scene" and the "emulation scene," might be different, but you practically cannot have one without the other. Yes, I understand that it IS possible to play totally legal games with an emulator, but really, how many people do that exclusively? And how many programmers are going to create/hack an emulator just so that they can play their favorite PD game? I'm really suspecting the wink and nod mentality, here. Oh, and I'd really love to point out something: GBA emulation (The last time I heard anything about it, anyway) was patented by Nintendo, which brings the GBA emulators on your site (As well these other emulation sites) into question (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, preferably with links). While I realize that these two situations are totally different, that still doesn't stop the emulators from being technically illegal, nor does it stop the process of GBA emulation from being Nintendo's. While there are some major differences in the situations, the main point remains. NOTE: Keep in mind that I'm pretty bored as of right now, and am waiting on a call to go to work so that I can make crack dealers see red, and college girls cry. Edited July 14, 2004 by Jiggs
James Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 Besides, Weird brought up a good point. Isn't GBA emulation illegal, because Nintendo patented it? Could someone please tell me why that is ok, but this isn't?Jiggs made an excellent question above...and also makes a valid point. We've discussed about this before, but it seems everything comes back to this whenever a new ground-breaking emulator is released. Emulators themselves aren't illegal. With rom images, there is no grey area or the so-called 24-hour rule. BIOSes and software are copyrights of their respective owners and can only be used without payment if the developer has released it to the public. It is stated in many laws that a consumer can make a backups of the software he/she owns in case of data loss or some other property damage. Then again, Nintendo desn't approve this either. Nintendo is known to be the most paranoid and merciless among all software/hardware companies when it comes to piracy of their products whether they be chipped consoles to bootlegs to dumped games that float in the Internet. I really don't see what the fuzz is about. I can fairly say that 99% of the people involved in emulation in some way have backups or dumps that are not from their own collections. Emulator authors detach themselves from any responsibility by (by making a certain game emulated after some years have passed since the original release) and not giving links to BIOSes (if the emulator use such a program) or the rom image dumps. I think that this is a good thing. People who give statements like "All rom links/BIOS links will be deleted" are the same as others; they do have their illegal stuff, but want nothing to do with the legal aspects of it; they just get rid of any responsibility on their part. What next? Companies should ban CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R and DVD-RW because they promote piracy? Give me a break. The Sega Saturn has been long dead, but the copyrights still stand. The consoles themselves are scarce, so people can't get a hold of them so easily anymore. Emulation fixed this. If people so badly want the Saturn stuff, they go out there and search for it. No bitching will make it any more legal or illegal than it *supposedly* already is. So, let's stop the bitching already. Emulate things if you want to or don't do so; it's your choice anyway. EDIT: Jiggs is right again by saying that emulation is being hypocritical. Damn right it is. There not talking about Roms or ISO's or Bios being illegal they are saying the emulator is illegal, Because it was not there's to start with.
James Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) Jiggs is a genius, everyone. You're running an emulation site. Essentially, you are supporting piracy. Why not shut 1Emulation down if you don't want to support anything illegal? No matter what, if you run an emulation site, you support illegal activities, even if you don't have any roms or bios uploaded. So stop freting about it. The worst that can happen is you'll get an email from Sega telling you to take off something.Emulators are not illegal ,But it is being said that the Cassini emulator is illegal because it was not there there's to start with. Here is an example even it is not totaly the same, I compile my Own version of Mame with a few minor changes and added games,just say if i put it on a site and claim it as my emulator and changed all the names and copyright within the emulator ,this is illegal because I am not the copyright holder and cannot claim it as my work this is not the same as the Cassini emu but it will give you an idea what I am trying to say. Edited July 14, 2004 by James
Agozer Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 There not talking about Roms or ISO's or Bios being illegal they are saying the emulator is illegal, Because it was not there's to start with.Well, my ranting seemed to just take off, thanks to the way the emulation scene is nowadays. Yes, slighly beside the point, I agree.
Gryph Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) I'm inclined to agree that Cassini is not a legitamate emulator since they haven't received written permission from Sega. All this inter-forum squabbling is not necessary. We should all just leave each other to our own devices. Nothing good will come of this, just a bunch of name calling. And shouldn't this thread be moved to the Official Cassini forum? Edited July 14, 2004 by GryphonKlaw
Wizard Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 If it was, it would be ignored by...the ones who don't go to that fourm. This is thread is equivlent to O.J. Simpson going down Santa Monica highway in a white bronco. Fsck i need to think of better analogies.
Agozer Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 If it was, it would be ignored by...the ones who don't go to that fourm. This is thread is equivlent to O.J. Simpson going down Santa Monica highway in a white bronco. Fsck i need to think of better analogies.Roofles. Yeah, that was a bit lame. No seriously, let's all go back to our emulation hobby and put this stupid quarreling behind us. If someone doesn't like the way Cassini is now or it's legality, he can just let it be.
iq_132 Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) I'm inclined to agree that Cassini is not a legitamate emulator since they haven't received written permission from Sega. All this inter-forum squabbling is not necessary. We can should all just leave each other to our own devices. Nothing good will come of this, just a bunch of name calling.I completely agree I also want to say that I respect Admin's decisions. It's their site, they can do whatever the hell they want with it; It's certainly not my place to tell them that their views, opinions, and rules are wrong -- it's like going into someone's house and telling them that the way they run their household isn't the correct way. Anyway, I really do hope that the cassini team gets permission from sega/sammy to do what they're doing (A call to Japan is what? A few dollars?). That would certainly put any legal questions to rest. Edited July 14, 2004 by iq_132
Wizard Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 Japanese laws are less strictier when it comes to copyrights. I mean, has anyone ever played Fire Pro Wrestling?
Alpha Posted July 14, 2004 Author Posted July 14, 2004 We will not tolerate any site bashing. We respect EmuFanatics and they have their rights to say their views. I agree with iq_132 and that we can't say how to run their website. The only thing we are focusing about is running ours.
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