Bigby Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) I was just comparing CoinOPS Epic (yes I have it ) to MednafenX_pce, and Dracula X (for example) has no music in CoinOPS. It does however have music in MednafenX_pce. Is there an option I'm overlooking in CoinOPS? Also my knowledge regarding all things PC Engine CD is limited, so these games only work when ripped to mp3? So we can't use them in the wav format? Edited January 11, 2011 by Bigby
PhilExile Posted January 11, 2011 Author Posted January 11, 2011 Bigby, That's what I found. Whenever I used BIN/CUES - the music wouldn't play. BP, a way around this would be to either ZIP the CUE/ISO/MP3 PCE CD rips and have CoinOps decompress them when they are launched or have CoinOps ignore ISO and MP3 files in the romlist. The later is what MednafenX_pce does in the most recent releases. Let me know if you need any of the rips.
Bigby Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) The Xtras Dracula X is BIN/CUE (and plays music) and the CoinOPS Epic Dracula X is CUE/ISO/MP3 (does not play music). Hmm..there are 2 cue files...one has the track list as wav and the other as mp3..I'll try swithching them around... Nope! That just gave a file missing error (MP3.cue) Edited January 11, 2011 by Bigby
PhilExile Posted January 11, 2011 Author Posted January 11, 2011 Weird, you're right about the files. (Although I haven't tried to launch DRACULA X in CoinOps yet - so I can't confirm the sound issue) Elconejotres, have you had a chance to pull that list together?
PhilExile Posted January 12, 2011 Author Posted January 12, 2011 By the way, you guys may like this site: http://pcengine.co.uk/index.htm Cos sent it to me.
BritneysPAIRS Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I went for smallest file size....eg not the full ones...so yes alot of the music is missing .... use the full set.... I removed all large content stuff like psx size and n64 but it plays them fine....just needs alot more space
Bigby Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Thanks for the explanation BP... I've been using CoinOPS Epic recently, I like the way all the games can be sorted by console type or by just showing Arcade. Thanks for all your efforts
BritneysPAIRS Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 no worries...want to make a pack? or share names of stuff to add to EPIC+
elconejotres Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Weird, you're right about the files. (Although I haven't tried to launch DRACULA X in CoinOps yet - so I can't confirm the sound issue) Elconejotres, have you had a chance to pull that list together? I'm working on it as fast as I can, but there are many games, besides the bin/cue solution is not viable either, it has the same bugs regarding the cue system, I have tried so far BIN/CUE, ISO/CUE, ISO/WAV, and even BIN/HCD and the results are the same so the only choice is fixing the perfect cue system, or porting another pcecd to xbox (magic engine, ootake)
PhilExile Posted January 13, 2011 Author Posted January 13, 2011 Hi Elconejotres, OK - well that's good to know you've already tested that theory. Is this problem in Mednafen on the PC as well? If its not, its probable that the issue can be resolved on the XBOX version - at least I hope! Porting a whole new emulator would take a lot of work, trial, and error. Not sure if anyone is up for that unfortunately. Thanks again for your efforts and looking forward to the list! Weird, you're right about the files. (Although I haven't tried to launch DRACULA X in CoinOps yet - so I can't confirm the sound issue) Elconejotres, have you had a chance to pull that list together? I'm working on it as fast as I can, but there are many games, besides the bin/cue solution is not viable either, it has the same bugs regarding the cue system, I have tried so far BIN/CUE, ISO/CUE, ISO/WAV, and even BIN/HCD and the results are the same so the only choice is fixing the perfect cue system, or porting another pcecd to xbox (magic engine, ootake)
elconejotres Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) Hi Elconejotres, OK - well that's good to know you've already tested that theory. Is this problem in Mednafen on the PC as well? If its not, its probable that the issue can be resolved on the XBOX version - at least I hope! Porting a whole new emulator would take a lot of work, trial, and error. Not sure if anyone is up for that unfortunately. Thanks again for your efforts and looking forward to the list! Exactly that is the point, the pc version does not have the bugs, but either the "perfect cue system" that was implemented by the author (xport) to make the games playable on xbox the best he can, the list is gonna be ready soon but exactly there are 499 games on that list so you got the picture ... Edited January 13, 2011 by elconejotres
PhilExile Posted January 13, 2011 Author Posted January 13, 2011 499!? Are there even that many CD games? Hi Elconejotres, OK - well that's good to know you've already tested that theory. Is this problem in Mednafen on the PC as well? If its not, its probable that the issue can be resolved on the XBOX version - at least I hope! Porting a whole new emulator would take a lot of work, trial, and error. Not sure if anyone is up for that unfortunately. Thanks again for your efforts and looking forward to the list! Exactly that is the point, the pc version does not have the bugs, but either the "perfect cue system" that was implemented by the author (xport) to make the games playable on xbox the best he can, the list is gonna be ready soon but exactly there are 499 games on that list so you got the picture ...
elconejotres Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 499!? Are there even that many CD games? Well actually yeah, between USA, Jap, and some independient releases (hentai most of them), besides there are some games that still aren't dumped because of their inhuman ridiculous high prices
PhilExile Posted January 13, 2011 Author Posted January 13, 2011 Here is a list I found - though I don't know how official or precise it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turbo...Engine-CD_games Talk soon!
tomaitheous Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Hey Elconejotres, Yes, this list is great - thank you! Regarding the bugs, I think you mentioned something about the music not stopping and I wonder if this is limited to the CD based games. I loaded up Darius (the US card release) and I noticed when I paused the game, the music continued. I thought this was weird, but having not played the actually game in years - I'm unable to know for sure if this is incorrect or not. Can you look into this as well? I wonder if the included TOCs would work OK if this ended up being a bug somewhere else in the emulator. If it is just the TOCs we could always replace them with new ones from TurboRip right? Or are those goofed up too? Thanks again Well the cdda music don't stoping is only a problem with the cds, the turbo chips (cards) uses mostly chiptunes and midis so if the music don't stop in darius is because the game is developed that way, in the other hand, the replacement of the tocs with the ones generated in turborip is not a real solution because turborip was designed by RIGG in order to be used with the HU-GO emulator, besides many factors make a game play wrong, from the fact of having a crappy image (ISO/MP3) to even have a "verified" image with synch problems, Turborip only checks and correct the length of the files, but if the audio tracks are wrong, crappy, distorted, or even modified the tool can't detect that, for an example I made a custom Double Dragon II image for my xbox sometime ago in which I replaced the original music tracks with the ones in the arrange album (which actually sound thousands of times better), the only thing necesary to do it was to rename the wave tracks in the correct names and use toc fixer to make the lengths of the tracks match with the toc in turborip, when I used Turborip to make my ISO/CUE/MP3 the tool recognizes the valid toc and say that the image was valid with no mistakes. Besides the problem are the files inside the "pcetoc.zip" file, the .lsn files are just tocs (open those with notepad) but that tocs are designed to emulators with the cores of HU-GO, in most of the cases the games works fine but in others totally screws the game, the start sector in this files is 0000 which is wrong because some pcecds start at sector 150 and then you must do ceiling calculations (and yes I can't do that calculations because I'm not into programing) so it only need a person (like madmab) with the skills and the experience necesary in order to be fixed (besides even if it sounds to be very troublesome and complicated it is not in reality, is just a quick revision and correction thing) so I will work in the list with my limited knowledge and see if that proves usefull to madmab. That's not true AFAIK. TurboRip was made much after Hu-Go was made obsolete. TurboRip was made because of the inaccurate rips out there in relation to pregap and other misaligned track offsets. The fact that it can't CRC a track to the original is irrelevant. As long as the length and offset and structure are to spec, the actual audio data doesn't effect anything. Unless you're ripping a burned CDR, which isn't what the app is made for. It's made for ripping original formats. Also, ISO/WAV format is preferred. There's nothing wrong with a cooked format. Makes it easier for patching games too. RAW format makes it a pain for translation hacking because of the additional unneeded sector bytes, which make dumping or looking for text and graphic data extreme painful. And the PCE system card does not use 150 sector offset for boot. That would be a 2 second hardcored pregap. Only SegaCD does that. The PCE system looks for "Index 01" of the first data track it finds. CD specifications list chapter support for Red book format. Indexing is how you do it. The pregap is the space between Index 00 and Index 01. Spec says minimum of 2 seconds, but there's no maximum. And some games use a 3 second pregap. A lot of PC-Engine CD games use absolute LBA offsets for CDDA playback, instead of track play mode (some do use that though, like Lords of Thunder). If you have the wrong pregap size, the whole rest of the audio can be out of sync because of this. And for games that use 'track play' method for CDDA instead of LBA mode, need to have that last repeat data track at the end. Because the translated command requires a ending track #. If you omit it, it won't play that last CDDA requested track. If my word isn't proof enough, I have made a test CD to prove it. I made a Lords of Thunder Dual boot CD. It plays in both the SegaCD and the PCE/TGCD/Duo system. It works because the SegaCD has a hard offset of 150 sectors pregap, but the PCE does not. And the CD specification says there's no maximum pregap for the first track (some audio CDs are known to hide audio track like this, that you have to 'rewind' or seek backwards to get to them). I merged the two systems ISO tracks and set Index 01 to the start of the PCE's track, replaced the SegaCD audio tracks with the PCE, and hacked the PCE's game code to play the new track order/layout. Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Zby5sQkuI Also.. nice list of games,shots, and descritions 499!? Are there even that many CD games? Sounds about right. PC Engine CD Offline Catalogue app is somewhat old now and lists 480 CD games. Edited February 11, 2011 by tomaitheous
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