Autobahn Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) I found this video with John Carmack, the guy who sold his car to single-handedly program the Doom engine,Not sure where you got that info from. By the time Carmack was programming the Doom engine id software was already fairly well off as a company because Commander Keen and Wolfenstein were fairly successful. But that is only a trivial matter. I'm not exactly sure what drives people to have these...You don't seem to be pretty sure of anything. And although the company had those previous titles, it was far from rich. That piece of trivia came from the Return to Castle Wolfenstein manual btw.Little sensitive there are we? I would trust a book that covered the lives of John Carmack and Romero to be a more reputable source than a video game manual. I downloaded the manual to look at it but I couldn't find it. What page was it on? And also this report by the Nightly Business Report following the release of Wolf 3D says they are a multi-million dollar business. What the hell you can't embed here? Edited August 4, 2008 by Autobahn
OverlordMondo Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Some people have problems embedding, I don't remember the details. On the topic of why we're arguing again, it's about what to purchase. Some people don't own either console and only want to purchase one, some people own one and want to verify that their purchase was the better choice and they made the right decision. This is the sort of thing that sparks these arguments.
Lucandrake Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 As much as I love the fact that this topic is aimed more at the X360 users, you do realize that this isn't the last topic of this kind, and that last few topics we had where it went on to be a Micro vs. Sony battle ended up scaring some people and then kinda getting the general mood in the bored really bad....
OverlordMondo Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 If the PS3 was that low I wouldn't mind buying it just for Disgaea 3.
Gouken Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 As much as I love the fact that this topic is aimed more at the X360 users, you do realize that this isn't the last topic of this kind, and that last few topics we had where it went on to be a Micro vs. Sony battle ended up scaring some people and then kinda getting the general mood in the bored really bad.... Exactly. Crap like this scares new users away. Sure it's nice to have the freedom to talk smack and all, but other forums have rules against Vs. threads for a reason. It alienates people. Both systems are great. End it people. Close the thread and talk about something other then which system is better. This generation doesn't mean anything overall. Why? Because for some flocking reason the Wii, the worst out of all the systems, is 'winning'. Maybe you should make a thread about that. Discuss scenarios as to why a Gamecube with a new controller has actually outsold everything worldwide. That, to me, is a discussion worth having. And might provoke some intelligent thought as well.
BlackKnight Posted August 7, 2008 Author Posted August 7, 2008 Exactly. Crap like this scares new users away. Sure it's nice to have the freedom to talk smack and all, but other forums have rules against Vs. threads for a reason. It alienates people. Both systems are great. End it people. Close the thread and talk about something other then which system is better. This generation doesn't mean anything overall. Why? Because for some flocking reason the Wii, the worst out of all the systems, is 'winning'. Maybe you should make a thread about that. Discuss scenarios as to why a Gamecube with a new controller has actually outsold everything worldwide. That, to me, is a discussion worth having. And might provoke some intelligent thought as well.Read the thread title. The whole point of this was to end that idle speculation and put a 'case closed' sticker on the debate of which system is better. Because that debate is well and truly settled now.
Gryph Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 I'm really looking forward to this supposed 360 price cut so maybe I can get one. :/
Gouken Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 Exactly. Crap like this scares new users away. Sure it's nice to have the freedom to talk smack and all, but other forums have rules against Vs. threads for a reason. It alienates people. Both systems are great. End it people. Close the thread and talk about something other then which system is better. This generation doesn't mean anything overall. Why? Because for some flocking reason the Wii, the worst out of all the systems, is 'winning'. Maybe you should make a thread about that. Discuss scenarios as to why a Gamecube with a new controller has actually outsold everything worldwide. That, to me, is a discussion worth having. And might provoke some intelligent thought as well.Read the thread title. The whole point of this was to end that idle speculation and put a 'case closed' sticker on the debate of which system is better. Because that debate is well and truly settled now. No it isn't, and never will be until these systems are dead and gone. The PS3's firmware will continue to be updated, and the 360 will continue to get updates of its own. Just like the Dev Kits for each system will be updated with easier to use tools throughout their life cycles. Debating about which console is better NOW would be relevant, but a "case close" decision, end all be all? You've got to be kidding me.
BlackKnight Posted August 7, 2008 Author Posted August 7, 2008 These systems are hardware. Their potential is dictated by that hardware and if it wasn't you wouldn't see PS4's down the track. Firmware updates can't evolve a system, else they wouldn't need new systems- new software would just keep coming out. The hardware is what is being discussed here. Console wars threads talk about the magic superpower of the Cell or Blu-ray- those technically inept myths are being debunked here. Thus it is putting that stupid uninformed debate to rest.
L.S.D Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 AND IN THIS CORNER, WEIGHING AT 860 POUNDS, BLACKKNIGHT, THE EVER-CHALLENGING MOD FROM 1EMU, and IN THE OTHER CORNER, THE CHALLENGER, THE PS3 DEFENDER, THE ALL-ASSUMING ENTITY THAT CAN BRING PS3'S POTENTIAL TO THE MAX WHEN NO DEVELOPERS CAN, GOOOOOUUUUUUUUKKKKKEEEEEENNNNNNNNN! LET THE FIGHT COMMENCE!!! Duke it out, guys
Gouken Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 AND IN THIS CORNER, WEIGHING AT 860 POUNDS, BLACKKNIGHT, THE EVER-CHALLENGING MOD FROM 1EMU, and IN THE OTHER CORNER, THE CHALLENGER, THE PS3 DEFENDER, THE ALL-ASSUMING ENTITY THAT CAN BRING PS3'S POTENTIAL TO THE MAX WHEN NO DEVELOPERS CAN, GOOOOOUUUUUUUUKKKKKEEEEEENNNNNNNNN! LET THE FIGHT COMMENCE!!! Duke it out, guys Thank you, thank you. Did you want to compare media drives, card readers, wifi, USB ports, wireless capabilities (bluetooth), storage options and capacity... All those are hardware related. By comparing system specs and hardware capabilities, the PS3 clearly wins out of the box. I'd find it hard for even the hardest of hardcore xbots to argue against it. And don't give me that "I just want a gaming console" crap. All the extra bells and whistles, before mentioned, have made gaming much better, and easier for me. But as I tell most of my 360 owning friends who are currently shopping for their first or new hard drives to take advantage of newer features... you get what you pay for.
BlackKnight Posted August 7, 2008 Author Posted August 7, 2008 Thank you, thank you. Did you want to compare media drives, card readers, wifi, USB ports, wireless capabilities (bluetooth), storage options and capacity... All those are hardware related. By comparing system specs and hardware capabilities, the PS3 clearly wins out of the box. I'd find it hard for even the hardest of hardcore xbots to argue against it. And don't give me that "I just want a gaming console" crap. All the extra bells and whistles, before mentioned, have made gaming much better, and easier for me. But as I tell most of my 360 owning friends who are currently shopping for their first or new hard drives to take advantage of newer features... you get what you pay for.And you are making this into the kind of thread that you said we didn't need more of.
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