DropDeadEd Posted January 24, 2008 Author Posted January 24, 2008 Perhaps you're distorting the line of good stand up and old fashion gas outs here my friend. As far as I'm concerned we have yet to see anything amazing by Lesnar... you're telling me Frank Mir gassed in one minute against Brandon Vera? Lesnar showed he had power to make Min Soo Kim tap out from guarded strikes. Vera is one of the BEST strikers in MMA. Lesnar made some tomato can tap from guarded strikes. Min Soo Kim took several punches from a man like Mighty Mo Sigilia. Granted, he was eventually knocked out. But, to see him tap out to only a couple from Brock in guard is something noteworthy.
Salorskin Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 HAHAHA he took the fight in like a week or two days notice! Anyways, if it shows anything noteworthy it's that Lesnar has a good ground and pound... IF it even shows that. We know nothing about Lesnar's stand up game whatsoever. He's a mystery man.
Inky Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 forget Lesner, heres the real question. why can't guys from pride win in the UFC. with the exception of rampage I haven't seen one recently hyped pride guy do anything but get punched in the face repeatedly.
Salorskin Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Anderson Silva's from Pride. Anyways, a lot of UFC fighters that fought in Pride had lost in the past. The rules difference is a huge factor and it takes time to adjust.
Inky Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Anderson wasn't hyped though. I am talking about the cro cops, the wanderlai silva's the shogun hua's there have been a few others recently I can't think of right now. I mean from what I had seen of the axe murder I was expecting a brutal exciting fight. instead dude just stood there and got punched.
Fatal Rose Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 There is more factors playing into there defeats, but to set here and list/dwell on them would just be tedious, annoying, and sound like excuses. In the end they lost, as all fighters do at some point. Most UFC fighters that went straight to PRIDE and a fought a top pride fighter/pride veteran got defeated too. So it go's both ways, different ring format and different rules ultimately change everything. fighters just need time to adjust is all.
Inky Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I guess I was just really expecting alot from those guys since I had never really seen much Pride only heard about it. then to see cro cop Hua and silva get pooned I was like WTF?
Fatal Rose Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I guess I was just really expecting alot from those guys since I had never really seen much Pride only heard about it. then to see cro cop Hua and silva get pooned I was like WTF? Do not let that be your final judgment on them. I have been following MMA for over ten years, the best is yet to come. Remember Crocop, Rua, and Silva have already beaten there fare share of UFC champions throughout the years.
DropDeadEd Posted January 30, 2008 Author Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) I guess I was just really expecting alot from those guys since I had never really seen much Pride only heard about it. then to see cro cop Hua and silva get pooned I was like WTF? Do not let that be your final judgment on them. I have been following MMA for over ten years, the best is yet to come. Remember Crocop, Rua, and Silva have already beaten there fare share of UFC champions throughout the years. Years of following or not, rule changes are never the case. Nick Diaz has been exclusively from the UFC and defeated a Pride Fighter in his own court at Pride 33 (Takanori Gomi). It all depends on a fighters ability. ------------------------- whoo the fight is THIS saturday. Edited February 1, 2008 by DropDeadEd
Alpha Posted February 3, 2008 Posted February 3, 2008 Brock Lesnar punched Mir so many times in the head and even made his face bleed, but he lost in 1 minute and 30 seconds by submission. That didn't make professional wrestling look too good. Brock-Buster! Mir submits LesnarBy Thomas Gerbasi WWE superstar Brock Lesnar looked like he was going to have his way with former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir in his Octagon debut tonight at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas. But at this level of the game, it only takes one mistake to end up on the losing end of the equation, and Mir proved it, submitting Lesnar 90 seconds into the opening round. “No excuses, he’s a top-notch jiu-jitsu guy and he got me tonight. He’s the better fighter,” said Lesnar, a former NCAA wrestling champion who drops to 1-1 in pro mixed martial arts. Within seconds of the opening bell, Lesnar had dumped Mir on the canvas and started reigning down blows. An inadvertent shot to the back of the head by Lesnar forced a stoppage of the action and a deduction of a point by referee Steve Mazzagatti though, and gave Mir a chance to clear his head. And while he would be put on the mat a second time, now by a right hand from Lesnar, this time Mir would weather the storm while fighting to sink in an armbar, and as Lesnar looked to finish, Mir grabbed his leg and sunk in the fight-ending kneebar. “I went for a couple of armbar attempts, but look at the guy’s arms,” said Mir. “His legs were a little leaner, so I attack the neck or the legs on a big guy because they’re always vulnerable.” It was the Las Vegan’s biggest win since a motorcycle accident sidelined him in 2004. “I had Brock Lesnar dropping elbows on my head and I still pulled through and grabbed a submission,” said Mir, now 11-3. As for Lesnar, his 90 seconds of work did show promise, and in turn, he promises to return to the Octagon to chase after the heavyweight crown. “You win some and you lose some,” said Lesnar. “I’d like to win them all, but you can’t.”
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