Some basic questions concerning Kawaks

[Robert]

Just one more thing though; since the official Kawaks is now supporting both kof 2001 and 2002 (also Martimeele and rotd), why is it I cannot find the encryted versions anywhere, all the sites only list up to 2000. May I just ask whether they exist or not? Or am I again just jumping ahead of myself...

They do exist.... I can verify that.

 

This board has a very strict policy of mentioning rom sites, or even

places that link to them (which means google is out). So keep looking;

I assure you the files are out there.

[Swithin]

Basically, to get the full "correct" encrypted sets one must simply be patient and wait for encrypted romsets to trickle out, meanwhile decrypted hacked roms and hacked emus are the only viable option. I remember reading somewhere that the general gap between the games release and the rom release is about 3 years... which means we won't be enjoying a slice of encrypted kof2003 in Kawaks well until 2006/2007 maybe!?!

 

Not exactly. To emulate the rom, the emulator basically decrypts it on the fly. So basically the difference between encrypted roms and decrypted roms is that the encrypted roms are the original "off the board" set (which by necessity are dumped before the roms are decrypted,) and the decrypted roms are what the emulator uses anyway (they're smaller, too.) In short, all emulators use decrypted roms - the only difference is whether they decrypt the roms every time they load them or whether you've saved the decrypted results and run the game from that.

 

[edit: oh, non-encrypted roms are obviously roms which were never encrypted to begin with (older sets), and there are cases of decrypted roms coming out first - bootlegs. The bootleggers can decrypt roms before flashing them to a bootleg cart, so if someone dumps a bootleg they've got the decrypted set and not the encrypted set.]

 

About the 2/3 year thing: that's a voluntary measure added into emus so that the authors make clear they're not trying to harm the original developer of the game. At this point, all neo games are dumped, emulated, and pretty much available. Some games might not be officially supported by Kawaks/Nebula, but that's why people use loaders. The general gap between game release and rom release is between week of commercial release to six months after commercial release. With no more neo games coming out, however, this is sort of moot since there won't be any more releases. As of December 2005 KoF2003 will be officially supported, and there will be no neo games left off any lists except for any rare prototype games dumpers might get their hands on.

 

Just one more thing though; since the official Kawaks is now supporting both kof 2001 and 2002 (also Martimeele and rotd), why is it I cannot find the encryted versions anywhere, all the sites only list up to 2000. May I just ask whether they exist or not? Or am I again just jumping ahead of myself...

 

I don't know about that. As you've heard, all the neo games have been dumped and are emulated. They're all out there, but we can't tell you where.

Edited January 28, 2005 by Swithin

[Last Exile]

That is why I'm making a special effort not to ask for any... But can someone please point me towards a program that will allow me to check rom info, so that I could copy & paste them into asr.dat in kawaks loader?

[Gryph]

Well to do that you'll have to use two programs, RomCenter (which I can't link to you here, use Google) to check the ROMs and RomDataMaker to make the DAT: http://up2.fastuploads.com/94043866_romdatamaker.zip

 

But first you'll need a DAT file (a different kind) to use to check your ROMs with. To do this, open up Kawaks and go to Tools. Click on Generate RomCenter DAT. You can use ClrMAMEPro if you want but you'll have to get that instead. That will create a DAT file in your Kawaks folder. Now open RomCenter (or Clr) and then load this new DAT you made and then open up the folder where you ROMs are. If they are OK, you can proceed to the next section.

 

Actually, first check the stickied thread in this section for DATs for most of the new games. If we don't have it, then you can use RomDataMaker (which I provided a link above). RomDataMaker is pretty easy to use but if you need help don't hesitate to ask.

[James]

While I don't know the specifics, most likely because the files are different. The previous answer should give an idea how precise your information needs to be to get an emu to run a game. If even one file is different inside the archive (or something more obvious like *all* files are different or the archive has a different name) between what the dat in the loader says and what Kawaks 1.53 wants, no dice. Check this manually, you might have the same rom but under a different naming scheme. As always, check the CRCs to see if the files are actually the same (because nomenclature is fairly universal, so the files will have the same name even if, say, the m1 required to play on 1.53 is a newer version.)

 

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Thats because his mlsug4 set is decrypted while the kawaks 1.53 is encrypted. Offically kawaks and nebula use encrpted sets only the laoders tend to use the decrypted sets.

 

I mosty use Encrypted sets in my build of Mame since there are meant to be the correct dump unlike the decrypted sets which are not

 

True emulation is also emulateing the protection and hardware as well as running the game

 

These days there are 200 gig+ hard drive so size is no longer an issue for most.

 

 

True emulation and true rom dunps get my vote.

 

 

 

 

Last Exile Send me a PM I can help you find the sets you are looking for

Edited January 28, 2005 by James

[Lucandrake]

When you get high and your parents ask you why you so happey, just give them two thumbs up and say "I got layed!"

 

Sorry..didn't know were else to put this...lol...I don't know how o help because I know jack crap about emulation...

[Gryph]

When you get high and your parents ask you why you so happey, just give them two thumbs up and say "I got layed!"

 

Sorry..didn't know were else to put this...lol...I don't know how o help because I know jack crap about emulation...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

...warning raised. Don't spam here again, ever, understand?

Edited January 28, 2005 by GryphonKlaw

[Agozer]

Sorry..didn't know were else to put this...lol...I don't know how o help because I know jack crap about emulation...

Then do not reply, it's that simple.

[Last Exile]

ok, I got the hang of editing the asr.dat to add the romsets I already have. all except kof2003, I tried about 4 different sets and still nothing... Are there any known issues about kof2003's compatibility with kawaks loader?

I was very careful in typing it correct!

 

And one last thing... If a rom is detected by Kawaks (official), is it then safe to assume that the rom is the correct encrpted set? Kawaks doesn't detect dodgy sets can it?

 

I ask this becase my kof2001 is listed and works in Kawaks 1.53, but the text in the main menu is screwed. I need to know whether I need to find a good set or not.

[Gryph]

You need to get a new P1 rom in order for it to work with Kawaks loader. I don't have it (I wish I did) but you can read about it in this thread: http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8195

Without that P1 it will not work in Kawaks.

 

And yes, if Kawaks detects it it is not a dodgy set since the names and CRCs have to match. Since the text is garbled that means you have a bad S rom. PM me for info about KOF2001 (it's not tough to find since it's old enough) but if you need it, I'd be glad to lend a hand.

 

And you are typing things perfectly.

[James]

ok, I got the hang of editing the asr.dat to add the romsets I already have. all except kof2003, I tried about 4 different sets and still nothing... Are there any known issues about kof2003's compatibility with kawaks loader?

I was very careful in typing it correct!

 

And one last thing... If a rom is detected by Kawaks (official), is it then safe to assume that the rom is the correct encrpted set? Kawaks doesn't detect dodgy sets can it?

 

I ask this becase my kof2001 is listed and works in Kawaks 1.53, but the text in the main menu is screwed. I need to know whether I need to find a good set or not.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Kof2003 will never work with a loader You will need a hacked P rom for it to work then it wont be kof2003 at all. Ny rom you have found on the site for clone Mame will not work in kawaks with the loader since the sets i use are encrypted and have protection which drivers are needed Thats why there for my build because there driver are there for them

 

 

Mame and FBA can emulate the roms I have for clone Mame but kawaks with loader will never emulate them Untill kawaks offically supports them.

Edited January 29, 2005 by James

[Agozer]

Basically, find the P1 that was released by Zhaoshili of the EGCG team and you'll have a P1 that works in Kawaks, Nebula and NeoRAGEx.

[Last Exile]

My rom you have found on the site for clone Mame will not work in kawaks with the loader since the sets i use are encrypted and have protection which drivers are needed Thats why there for my build because there driver are there for them

 

So how come this correct encrypted set is only 50 something MBs in size? Shouldn't it be closer to 100MB?

 

Agozer: I've tried the P1/M1/S1 fixes on about 5 different sets and still I can't get it working... One came close, I got the "Hacked by Zhaoshili" screen at the begining, but everything else is glitched to hell... Is the Kof2003 CRC list on the sticky ".DAT thread" the exact set I need?

 

If anyone has kof2003 running in kawaks 1.45 loader then please show me the CRC info. Thanks.

[Robert]

I have kof2003 running on kawaks 1.48b dev (if it helps)

 

Here is the info

 

    262144	c521b5bc 271-bios.bin
 16777216	c29acd28 271-c1d.bin 
 16777216	328e80b1 271-c2d.bin 
 16777216	020a11f1 271-c3d.bin 
 16777216	991b5ed2 271-c4d.bin 
 16777216	c2de8b66 271-c5d.bin 
 16777216	3ff750db 271-c6d.bin 
   524288	0e86af8f 271-m1d.bin 
  4194304	b9da070c 271-p1.bin  
  4194304	da3118c4 271-p2.bin  
  1048576	5cefd0d2 271-p3.bin  
  1048576	59d376da 271-p3d.bin 
 16777216	2058ec5e 271-v1d.bin

Edited January 30, 2005 by robbbert

[Agozer]

Kawaks dev is evil. It has it's own specific sets.

 

This is my set that works in Nebula 2.24 Loader and *should* work in kawaks as well:

 

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

System: NEO
RomName: King of Fighters 2003
Game: King of Fighters 2003

[Program]
2k3_p1.rom,0,800000,B87049F2,0

[Text]
2k3_s1.rom,0,20000,DF422440,0

[Z80]
2k3_m1.rom,0,20000,396E17CD,0

[Samples]
2k3_v1.rom,0,400000,D2B8AA5E,0
2k3_v2.rom,400000,400000,71956EE2,0
2k3_v3.rom,800000,400000,DDBBB199,0
2k3_v4.rom,C00000,400000,1B90C4F,0

[Graphics]
2k3_c1.rom,0,800000,E42FC226,0
2k3_c2.rom,1,800000,1B5E3B58,0
2k3_c3.rom,1000000,800000,D334FDD9,0
2k3_c4.rom,1000001,800000,D457699,0
2k3_c5.rom,2000000,800000,8A91AAE4,0
2k3_c6.rom,2000001,800000,9F8674B8,0
2k3_c7.rom,3000000,800000,374EA523,0
2k3_c8.rom,3000001,800000,75211F4D,0

[System]
CartridgeID: 271
GfxCrypt: 0
GfxKey: 0
ButLayout: 9
Fix: 0

 

Just a reminder that you need to change the filenames, and CRCs since you might have different roms.

Edited January 30, 2005 by Agozer