basilbr Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Exp44 you are wrong, beat em ups are better than shoot em ups!
Exp44 Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 No wai man! They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but in the end, shoot em ups pwn beat em ups. Nothin like snipin' the snot out of noobs in COD4!
BlackKnight Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Exp44 you are wrong, beat em ups are better than shoot em ups!You are incorrect, sir. Shoot em ups require dexterity, reflex, memory and an agile mind... beat em ups just require a few beers and a set of joints that haven't yet calcified. By the way I took this as Raiden vs. Final Fight, not Doom vs. Street Fighter.
basilbr Posted March 27, 2008 Author Posted March 27, 2008 No wai man! They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but in the end, shoot em ups pwn beat em ups. Nothin like snipin' the snot out of noobs in COD4! yeah but in street fighter2 if you use Dhalsim, youo get stretch armstrong limbs AND you can give people noogie's
Chibi Kami Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) Hmm... On the one hand, we have River City Ransom (win), Streets of Rage(meh), and Final Fight(good). On the other, we have Radio Zonde(angel murder win), Ikaruga(progressive win), and the Touhou series(shrine maiden win). I'm gona have to say Shootemups are better. Edit:Call of Duty isn't a shootemup. It's an FPS (possibly TPS in 4's case. Haven't played it yet).Street Fighter isn't a beatemup. It's a fighter or fighting game, whichever terminology you like. Edited March 27, 2008 by Chibi Kami
BlackKnight Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Apparently neither of you guys know the difference between fighters and beat 'em ups. Or shooters and shmups. *sigh*
Exp44 Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) @Chibi Kami And those are all games I have never heard of. But I'm glad to have you and BK on my side - and to add to what BK said, shoot em ups require true skill or extreme luck to master, while quite a few beat em ups simply require button mashing in order to pass some levels.Also as for COD4 being a shoot em up, you have to define shoot em up. Edited March 27, 2008 by Exp44
basilbr Posted March 27, 2008 Author Posted March 27, 2008 You are incorrect, sir. Shoot em ups require dexterity, reflex, memory and an agile mind... beat em ups just require a few beers and a set of joints that haven't yet calcified. By the way I took this as Raiden vs. Final Fight, not Doom vs. Street Fighter. Well to match those requirements, gonna have to include 1v1 beat em ups, though i could argue river city ransom -after you've bought alot of moves- calls on those things too. but anyway yeh tekken6 and virtua fighter5 require heaps of dexterity, reflexes and memory, plus if u can't keep up you're gonna be deaded quick
Chibi Kami Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 In the name of a properly conducted argument soon to turn flame war, please stipulate that you, basilbr are favoring fighting games, not beatemups, and that you, Exp44, are favoring, from what I can tell, 1st and/or 3rd person shooters, not shootemups. The differences between these genres are vast and many.
BlackKnight Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 In the name of a properly conducted argument soon to turn flame war, please stipulate that you, basilbr are favoring fighting games, not beatemups, and that you, Exp44, are favoring, from what I can tell, 1st and/or 3rd person shooters, not shootemups. The differences between these genres are vast and many.Thank you for voicing reason here.
basilbr Posted March 27, 2008 Author Posted March 27, 2008 Apparently neither of you guys know the difference between fighters and beat 'em ups. Or shooters and shmups. *sigh* Hey we know the difference, but the argument is an all encompassing one, because even in a fps you are still 'shooting them up', same goes for street fighter2 as a 'beating them (one by one) up'. The ones im trying to avoid are the more hybrid games like AliensVsPredator(capcom),Manhunt and Condemned. If you would like an argument about pure 2d shoot-em ups vs beat-em ups, have to do it in another thread :]
BlackKnight Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 How the hell is Capcom's AvP game a hybrid? And a genre is a collectively understood classification of convention. You can't just use a term like 'beat em up' and expect it to mean whatever you want it to mean, or whatever you think it should mean.
Chibi Kami Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 The problem is that, by being all-encompassing, there's a very real danger of crossing lines; www.doujinstyle.com has a game in their doujinsoft section which plays like a beatemup but has you dodging bullets like a danmaku shootemup. Suddenly, you're both championing it for diffeent reasons. Figure out your stances please.
basilbr Posted March 27, 2008 Author Posted March 27, 2008 How the hell is Capcom's AvP game a hybrid? And a genre is a collective classification. You can't just use a term like 'beat em up' and expect it to mean whatever you want it to mean. Because after you complete a couple of levels, you start taking on the marines, and loads more guns get dropped, so much so the game starts to play a little more like that older Aliens arcade game where u go around shooting everything, but still side scrolling
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