The Israeli-Lebanon Conflict

[Dooz]

Bush really just means that the US is allowed to retaliate against terrorist attacks and the killing of innocent life. Even if we have no evidence as to who performed said killings.

 

Simple slip of the tounge, really.

[Elazul Yagami]

also take a look at what robert fisk (located in lebanon) has to say... he has a knack for reporting the news in a more "human" method than cnn and it's ilk:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1178636.ece

 

(before anyone decries him as an anti-israeli force or something, note the other article where he blames syria for the crisis).

[Elazul Yagami]

btw, i'm updating http://www.elazulspad.net/ubbthreads/showf...sb=5&o=&fpart=1

 

whenever i want to vent.

 

 

CNN's Lebanon Problem

Edited July 15, 2006 by Elazul Yagami

[someboddy]

I heard on the radio today that israeli soldiers used a missile to kill an armed Lebanese approaching their base. I was thinking - if an armed emeny is approaching your base, shoot him. Why in the world would someone waste an ultra expensive missile to kill one enemy in the open field?

 

That thought led me to the conclusion. Israel need to do something. Right now, we are not doing something. We are just showing off. It looks like we have no strategy at all here...

[Mighty Max]

Libanon is member of the UN since 1945. Israel since 1949.

 

In the UN charta it clearly states:

 

The Purposes of the United Nations are:

 

1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

 

 

If it is any time, then for the other UN states to take actions against these two members.

 

Unfortunally i'm thinking it is too late to have any effect. As a post somewhere above shows, the ppl have allready build up a deep hate, where the actual reason for this conflict doesn't matter anymore and both only claim that the last action they took is only an response to the opponents action.

 

I may a pessimist here, but the last strikes are only a outview on what is to expect: A war that leaves (at least) two totally destructed and from the rest of the world abandoned countries in the long term.

[Wizard]

Unfortunately U.N. charter is basically lawless, the only way this could stop was from massive political pressure from all fronts (Yes, ALL of them).

 

Middle East has been at war with each other for thousands of years, who thinks theres going to be an era of peace in any of our lifetimes. My best bet is to just get the hell out of there and not look back. This is something NOT new to both the modern and prehistoric era.

[Elazul Yagami]

i just really don't understand it....

look, Someboddy is Israeli right ? (and probably jewish)

 

Darken is palestinian (and probably muslim)

 

i'm egyptian (well egyptian american) and muslim (egypt and israel were mortal enemies at one point)

 

regardless of what our countries or leaders think, we get along great, and have no hate for one another (at least i don't).

 

why can't everyone else realize that?

that once the warmongers die down (and i mean those on BOTH sides) the people themselves will simmer down (see;taking advantage of people's anger)

 

i know for a fact, that there are at least 20,000 israeli's that hate what the government is doing in palestinian territories and protest it almost regularly.

 

i know for a fact that there ARE a minority that are regularly advocating for equal rights for arab-israeli citzens.

 

i know for a fact, that there are israelis and palestinians that get along regularly and even visit one another every once in a while.

 

so i can't generalize and say Israeli's are bad people.

however, i will NEVER condone or sympathize with people (israeli or not) that back their government's policies no matter what.

 

oh and someboddy, i honestly think that the current pm is just trying to show that he's as tough (and a hardliner) as Ariel Sharon, but at the expense of the captured soilders...

 

if the kidnappers get cornered, they WILL kill the soliders, everyone knows that... and yes, no one negotiates with "terrorists" but don't police negotiate with a kidnapper because they want the victim's safety above all? (and they negotiate until they capture the kidnapper)

do the police just send the swat team into a place that's full of hostages and a few lunatics ?

 

 

just one question i wish someone would answer honestly...

 

everyone in the modern world is saying that religon and state should be seperate right?

everyone is saying that all countries should be secular.

 

then WHY THE HELL is it soooo important for israel to maintain a "jewish majority" ?

 

why not let the expelled people back as israeli citzens, show them that they actually have a good life under the government, and have THEM be against anyone trying to destroy israel?

[Mighty Max]

if the kidnappers get cornered, they WILL kill the soliders, everyone knows that...

 

I've been a soldier myself. And in the last days i've thought about if i would be able to commit suicide in order vanish the reason for war. I came to the conclusion that the war didn't start because of the soldiers. It has no sense at all to try and free them that way.

 

It's named because it is a excuse.

 

we get along great

 

Indeed. I'm living and learning with several muslims in a small german city, visiting the local university. It's not only a get along, it's a friendship.

 

Alltho if you get told - on both sides of the conflict - from the child-age on that the neighbours are bad, you don't rethink about the reason why you don't like your neighbours when you are old enought to do so.

[someboddy]

i just really don't understand it....

look, Someboddy is Israeli right ? (and probably jewish)

 

Darken is palestinian (and probably muslim)

 

i'm egyptian (well egyptian american) and muslim (egypt and israel were mortal enemies at one point)

 

regardless of what our countries or leaders think, we get along great, and have no hate for one another (at least i don't).

 

why can't everyone else realize that?

 

It's just just like Dooz said: the person is smart. The crowd is stupid.

 

If an israeli meets a palestinian, they might get along. They might not. It all depends on them. However, if a group of 100 israelis meets a group of 100 palestininas - chances are each group will hate the other group...

[Wizard]

Chances are theres going to a riot.

[Elazul Yagami]

i'm just worried sick about my friends and loved ones (and especially my friend that lives near the beiruit airport)

 

oh well.... gotta stop worrying and calm down a bit.

[iq_132]

i honestly think that the current pm is just trying to show that he's as tough (and a hardliner) as Ariel Sharon, but at the expense of the captured soilders...

 

 

I totally agree with this. There are few instances when war should be an option and this is not one of them.

[someboddy]

i honestly think that the current pm is just trying to show that he's as tough (and a hardliner) as Ariel Sharon, but at the expense of the captured soilders...

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I totally agree with this. There are few instances when war should be an option and this is not one of them.

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I agree as well. We also have a stupid defense minister who knows nothing about military...

[Permethium]

Well, the way I see it,if it develops into a all-out war, it won't be too easy for Israel ( which is very likely to happen btw. since Iran wants to see the "Zionist country" wiped off the face of the earth - israel can barely conceal their their feelings for Syria , since Israeli warplanes flew over the house of Syrian PM" not so long ago + palestinians vs. IDF in Gaza and now Lebanon ) . somehow I can picture all those said arab/muslim. countries teaming up if push comes to shove against Israel and then the Superpowers will have to step in. And that is where it wll become most interesting and also a bit of a volatile situation -

since the U.S is clearly backing Isreal ( bush said: "Isreal has the right to defend herself in the face of terrorism") where-as the other big players such as italy,france, China and Russia frowns upon the Isreali offence compaign, and labels it a overreaction. well - that wouldn't be the first time the U.S + brittain is at odds with the other superpowers ( China + Russia ) in the last two months over various matters - first they disagreed over Irans Nuclear -enrichment scheme - where the U.S,Germany and Great brittain is of the opinion that Iran is enriching Uranium for the purpose of making Nuclear weapons - where the other superpowers feel that every country has the right to engage in uranian enrichment for peaceful power generation purposes and that the U.S' attitude about this particular matter is totally uncalled for.

Secondly - again the U.S,Japan and Brittain feels that pyangyong's missile tests in north korea is a threat to global security, where china and russia may agree that the tests are wrong - they feel that no harsh action should be taken against pyangyong for doing so ( when it came down to a Vote for sanctions against north Korea - China voted against it and russia abstained ) for me it becomes quite clear who would side with who if it ever comes down to that .

 

conclusion - if the arab world goes all-out against Israel and the U.S steps in ( it's no secret that the U.S and Israel have strong ties ) to help them - I won't be surprised to see the other superpowers show their teeth too. let's just hope it doesn't play out like that.

[Elazul Yagami]

I'm sorry this will probably piss some people out but :

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07...east/index.html

 

Olmert's comments came after Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz indicated Israel planned to create a buffer zone in southern Lebanon to stop rocket attacks from Hezbollah.

 

i.e New land grab.

 

 

 

The Lebanese Army confirmed that a military base near Beirut had been attacked.

 

so they claim that they DON"T want to weaken the central lebanese government, and they're only in there to remove hizbollah, but they're attacking lebanese army barracks? how does that work exactly?

 

and don't get this wrong, these are NOT hizbollah barracks, these are LEBANESE ARMY barracks.

 

Earlier Monday, Israel bombed Beirut's port, an army barracks and the capital's southern suburbs.

 

why?

that's the question that begs to be asked, Why? don't they already have a naval blockade?

and why bomb beiruit's suburbs? aren't hizbollah mainly in the south of lebanon?