Gryph Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 I'm pretty sure they don't have to figure out what to do. They aren't idiots, they made the game so they know how to remove content. And where did you get this $160 million for fines? That's absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooz Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 (edited) So... Why is Rockstar getting penalized for this? It's the ESRB's fault for not finding it. And besides, who flocking cares, it's just a little sexual inuuendo. Edited July 21, 2005 by Dooz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryph Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 No, it's not actually the ESRB's fault for not finding it. It's Rockstar's for not telling them about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooz Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 They shouldn't need to. It's the ESRB's JOB to find crap like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryph Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 No, the publisher has to tell the ESRB what exactly is in the game. From the ESRB site: How are the games rated? To get a game certified with an ESRB rating, publishers fill out a detailed questionnaire explaining exactly what's in the game, and submit it to ESRB along with actual videotaped footage of the game, showing the most extreme content and an accurate representation of the context and product as a whole. Working independently, three trained raters then view the game footage and recommend the rating and content descriptors they believe are most appropriate. ESRB then compares the raters' recommendations to make sure that there's consensus. Usually, the raters agree and their recommendation becomes final. However, when the raters recommend different ratings, additional raters may be requested to review the game in order to reach broader consensus. Once consensus on a rating and content descriptors is reached, ESRB issues an official rating certificate to the game's publisher. And read this from a game developer: http://playfulpassion.blogspot.com/ The ESRB is responsible for assigning accurate ratings for every video game that is published, based on what they consider acceptable standards for content across multiple demographics. Therefore, publishers and developers must communicate and make available to the ratings board every byte of content in their games. Smart publishers know that they need to be upfront with the ESRB about possibly objectionable content, rather than leave their testers to stumble upon it. For example, the portrayal of blood, gore, and physical violence is a very important factor in determining whether or not a game should get a "T" or an "M" rating. The standards are detailed, and very sensitive, and have to take into account myriad factors regarding the portrayal in order to arrive at an acceptable rating.When publishers submit a game for ESRB review, they either have to take video footage of every level, environment, and menu of the game and submit that with a build, or give them cheat codes and access to all levels. They must also tell them about easter eggs, hidden content, unlockable content, etc. The ESRB must know, and should know everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooz Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Ah. Alright then. I still don't think they should be punished for an optional ratings system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryuken Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 (edited) so i guess the Strong Sexual Content, in M rating doesn't cover it and the rarely used AO rating is needed for computer render porn Edited July 21, 2005 by Ryuken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeFall Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Hmm i wonder didnt the original Mortal Kombat also need a cheat that unlocks something (Fatalities) that would have changed the rating otherwise.... the only difference is one is about violence the other is about sex hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryph Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 An interesting article that has opinions from gaming industry people: Todd Hollenshead (CEO of id), Vince Desi (CEO of Running with Scissors; the Postal guys), and Derek Smart (CEO of 3000AD and also the biggest joke in the industry): http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=771 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elazul Yagami Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Hmm wasnt it that one south park episode that said "It seems as long as sex is around parents dont care about violence"<{POST_SNAPBACK}> it was that manga/anime episode where they didn't care that butters got a shuriken in his eye because Eric walked naked across the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibathedog Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Went to the mall, In both EB Games and Gamestop, NO GTA:SA FOR ANY SYSTEM!!! Pretty retarded...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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