Daeval Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 You completely misunderstand my maths - say there were 167,000 people, by the army's statistic we are to assume that 156,000 would sign up WITHOUT INTERVENTION OF THE LETTER, that leaves 10,000 people who are likely to sign up after they got the letter. If ANY ONE of those people signed up as a result of recieving the letter, that counts as solicitation.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah ok, I see where you're coming from. That would be right if the army's statistic (94%) refers only to people who sign up without recieving reminder letters. However, just about everyone gets those reminder letters as they're turning 18, so those people are probably included in the 94% statistic.
random guy Posted December 20, 2004 Author Posted December 20, 2004 If the army has to resort to free ice-cream lists to mail people, I seriously doubt that "nearly everyone" recieves reminder letters.
Daeval Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 (edited) If the army has to resort to free ice-cream lists to mail people, I seriously doubt that "nearly everyone" recieves reminder letters.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>What young men turning 18 recieve from Selective Service is a "Mailback Reminder Card." As outlined here, from the selective service site, SS uses a wide range of lists to come up with the names of recipients. The ice cream list would have supplemented these existing lists. Between these lists, SS manages to mail a LOT of reminder cards. Now, do you honestly think that their 94% statistic does not include people who get reminder cards? I would be willing to bet that those cards go out to more than 6% of 18 year olds in a given year. Nevermind that we're comparing a modern statistic to a story that's 20 years old. Or that our statistics aren't the important part of the previous argument. Anyway, I tire of it too. If you wish to continue I might, but only if it's good. Edited December 20, 2004 by Daeval
random guy Posted December 21, 2004 Author Posted December 21, 2004 I give up. Hell, it's not my country, what do I care how many people get forced to sign up for this thing, or from free ice-cream, free toy, hell, free sex lists for all I care. Why stop when they're 15, why not make people sign up when they're 12? Or 6? Or make their parents sign em up when they're born? You'll change your tune once the draft gets reinstated (yes I said ONCE, not IF)
Cominus Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 (edited) I give up. Hell, it's not my country, what do I care how many people get forced to sign up for this thing, or from free ice-cream, free toy, hell, free sex lists for all I care. Why stop when they're 15, why not make people sign up when they're 12? Or 6? Or make their parents sign em up when they're born? You'll change your tune once the draft gets reinstated (yes I said ONCE, not IF)<{POST_SNAPBACK}> WHAT'S THIS?! RANDOMGUY GAVE UP?! DAVEAL MUST HAVE BIATCHED SLAPED YOU ACROSS THE BOARD?! THIS IS AMAZING. TODAY IS TRUELY A GREAT DAY TO REMEMBER DECEMBER 20, 2004. RANDOMGUY GOT PUT IN HIS PLACE AND OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. WHY SIGN PEOPLE UP WHEN THEY'RE BORN? WE COULD, BUT WHAT IF THEY DIE, THAT WOULD MAKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF LISTS OF NAMES JUST USELESS AND SUCH, ALL THOSE RECORDS TO KEEP TRACK OF, WHO REALLY WANTS THAT? WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE SIGN THIER KIDS UP FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE CAN ONLY INSIST, ONLY DURNING A DRAFT CAN WE ACTUALLY DO THIS, BECUASE IT BYPASSES THE CONSTITUTION DURING A WAR TIME, ONLY THEN IS THIS POSSIBLE, AND WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO SEND US WAR, LIKE WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DRAFT US? YOU MUST BE JEALOUS OR SOMETHING? ALL THIS IS, IS A CENSUS, YOU GET IT? A CENSUS, A THING THAT LETS THE GOVERNMENT KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THE COULD BE ELIGABLE TO ENROLL, THAT WAY IF THERE WAS A DRAFT THEY COULD PICK A LIST OF HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE AND SEE WHO'S ELIGABLE. IT'S A LIST OF NAMES, THATS ALL IT IS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU ARE GONNA GET DRAFTED, IT'S ONLY A POSSIBILTY. A DRAFT IS "IF YOU'RE AN AMERICAN, YOU MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA, YOU'RE GONNA FIGHT THE WAR", THIS RIGHT HERE IS JUST A CENSUS OF WHO'S OUT THERE, REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY ARE OR WHATEVER. LOTZ OF PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALY AND LEGALLY. SOME PEOPLE DO A GOOD JOB OF HIDING FROM RECORDS, AND THIS "ICE CREAM" SCANDLE IS A GOOD WAY TO FIND "PEOPLE". IT'Z FUNNY HOW LIKE NOBODY REALLY GOES INTO THE REGUALR CENSUS BUT THEN A SHYT LOAD WHEN THE FREE ICE CREAM LISTS POPS UP. Edited December 21, 2004 by alexis
alexis Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 you guys have to learn to control yourselves, oh and FLAMING is not allowwed , ok?
random guy Posted December 21, 2004 Author Posted December 21, 2004 Cominus, bite me.I would have *thought* it was clear for ANYONE with 1/4 of a brain (but I guess that excludes you!) that the point I was making is once you start playing with ethicallities like signing people up to the SS through free ice-cream lists, or forcing people to sign up before they're 18 even thouh the rules state that you have to be 18 before you sign up, that you're on a slippery slope, and who knows what they'd resort to doing.Grow a brain, arsehole.
Daeval Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 Let's try to avoid flaming here folks.. Cominus, bite me.I would have *thought* it was clear for ANYONE with 1/4 of a brain (but I guess that excludes you!) that the point I was making is once you start playing with ethicallities like signing people up to the SS through free ice-cream lists, or forcing people to sign up before they're 18 even thouh the rules state that you have to be 18 before you sign up, that you're on a slippery slope, and who knows what they'd resort to doing.Grow a brain, arsehole.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I understand the point you're trying to make, and mine was that it's the people drawing these out as "ethicallities" who are usually on the slippery slope, not the people doing these things. The ice cream list "incident" happened 20 years ago, and we haven't slid any nearer to a draft yet. The DMV thing seems perfectly reasonable when viewed objectively, it's only when you start drawing unsupportable paranoid conclusions that it nears a slippery slope. Fear Selective Services, hate Selective Services, I'm right there with ya. Avoid a draft if they ever do one, and I'll meet you for a beer on the other side of the border. But in the meantime, fight the fight with reason and facts, not paranoia and slippery slopes that do more to disqualify your beliefs than support them. And that's the end of what I'm going to say on that.
Cominus Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 Cominus, bite me.I would have *thought* it was clear for ANYONE with 1/4 of a brain (but I guess that excludes you!) that the point I was making is once you start playing with ethicallities like signing people up to the SS through free ice-cream lists, or forcing people to sign up before they're 18 even thouh the rules state that you have to be 18 before you sign up, that you're on a slippery slope, and who knows what they'd resort to doing.Grow a brain, arsehole.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> What point are you trying to make? Get it over it! Technicaly you can sign up when you're 17 with your parents consent for your information! Alot of the stuff you're talking about was fone in the past. Today things have become a little bit more political. Things are a bit different ths time around, so stop your whining, cuz really you're not getting anywhere with it, and ethics?! What about them? So what of the names? They're just names, like that guy up there who had made up a fake name so that he could get more fake ice cream? They can't send a guy who doesn't exist to war can they, or can they? Hmmm...im gonna do some reaserch on this and find out. I'll be back with some info later one. So much greatness in 2004. Babe's curse broken, some other crap, and random fag biatched slapped.
random guy Posted December 21, 2004 Author Posted December 21, 2004 Cominus, bite me.I would have *thought* it was clear for ANYONE with 1/4 of a brain (but I guess that excludes you!) that the point I was making is once you start playing with ethicallities like signing people up to the SS through free ice-cream lists, or forcing people to sign up before they're 18 even thouh the rules state that you have to be 18 before you sign up, that you're on a slippery slope, and who knows what they'd resort to doing.Grow a brain, arsehole.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> What point are you trying to make? Get it over it! Technicaly you can sign up when you're 17 with your parents consent for your information! Alot of the stuff you're talking about was fone in the past. Today things have become a little bit more political. Things are a bit different ths time around, so stop your whining, cuz really you're not getting anywhere with it, and ethics?! What about them? So what of the names? They're just names, like that guy up there who had made up a fake name so that he could get more fake ice cream? They can't send a guy who doesn't exist to war can they, or can they? Hmmm...im gonna do some reaserch on this and find out. I'll be back with some info later one. So much greatness in 2004. Babe's curse broken, some other crap, and random fag biatched slapped. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Fine, well I hope once the draft gets re-instated they send you over to Iraq first. Then when you're huddling in the trenches trying desperately to keep warm in the freezing desert nights, and trying to keep your head down to avoid it getting shot off, and you don't have any body armour because the Bush administration "can't afford it", you can say "Today things are more political" and feel 100% better.
alexis Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 I ALREADY WARNED YOU TOPIC CLOSED, WARNING LEVEL RAISED, NEXT TIME WITH A POSTING BAN FOR A FEW HOURS
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