Keith

I have taken it upon myself to reply to your original e-mail that was passed around from the tech support. I used the same Support Ticket number with your original e-mail message attached to verify the information. I also explained the situation about the copyrights being broken and the illegal use being done. This is the reply I got back. So hopefully something will come from this with it either being labeled legal or illegal.

Another question I have been meaning to ask Snail is what does he mean better in this comment to a known emulation developer Runik (Saturnin). He mentions producing something better.. better then GiriGiri? From what I can see that kind of comment seems a bit out of place since Snail did not produce GiriGiri. Also in the history it mentions that Snail has made emulators in the past and helped make others better. I am curious what other types of projects he has worked on and if they were ever made public. Apparently he is an amazing coder when it comes to assembly, but I am curious why he never started something from scratch that was legit if he has the skills? Well just a few more questions to add to the others. Hopefully soon we will get some answers from Snail himself.

It is pretty sad that you believe I turned your own network against you. Last I checked I wasn't the one doing the illegal things that people are complaining about. The more information that gets out the more people are seeing the full picture. What GameCop did, he did on his own. If GameCop and his team feel it needs to be removed then that was their decision. You guys can keep doing it for as long as you want, that doesn't really matter. I wouldn't expect much support from the development and emulation site scene though. I am sure there will still be many users who will support the project because it does work very well. The original GiriGiri team did a wonderful job creating it. There is no mistake there. I guess we could use your excuse.. if the Cassini team ignores the questions being asked regarding the technical side and the legal side.. then we can assume we are right. Also distribution of illegal material free or for money is still against the law. Your statement is naive and pretty ignorant.

This is not about the use of Cassini.. the use of ROMS.. or the use of anything illegal. This has been stated so many times it is getting repetitive. This debate is about the legal and moral side of taking a project and hacking it to make it your own when you don't have the right. It is also about protecting the emulation scene, the developers, and our fellow sites from these types of projects. Past projects have been viewed the same way. Originally GiriGiri hack was not covered by emulation sites because of legal reasons. Emurayden is not covered which is a CVGS hack. Same goes for other hacks that have come along such as ePSXiPC which was nothing more then a hacked ePSXe, and the Veritas SPU plugin which was a hack of the PSX SPU Plugin Eternal SPU. I am sure there is many more and all of these are not supported by the emulation community. In the end it all comes down the integrity of the Emulation Scene and how sites want to be perceived. EmuFanatics and myself are connected with many emulation developers who I consider good friends who have supported our site and I feel supporting a hacked project is a slap in their face. Also Cassini is not supported by any known developers.. which should be the thing that would concern me from a technical and development standpoint. Also are we ever going to get some technical answers to what changes have been done since Snail started working on the already hacked GiriGiri? Or answers to the legal counterpoints I posted in the first post of this thread?

GameCop the same happened to me, I was presented with the emulator and at the time felt it was alright to support it. The only problem I had with it at the time was that it included a bios in the download. Then as I was presented with more information I started to see it differently. Once it was released as Cassini a lot of sites were confused and posting it as a "new" open source Saturn emulator. So I made the general warning post which led to the rest. So I understand where you are coming from GameCop.

I don't really see anything wrong with the current thread. A few questions were asked and now we are just waiting for some answers.

Yeah the first post was posted before the announcement was made of the discontinuation of these forums. GameCop menioned moving this thread once this forum is removed.

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Yeah I would hope the decision is based off of their own thoughts about the Cassini project on not pressure from any sites. I would still enjoy and support 1Emulation if they continued the support of Cassini and was never an issue. GameCop was and probably still is in a tough spot, and I know I wouldn't want to be in it. He seems like he knows what he is doing and I have full confidence he is making the right choice. I think a lot of stuff could have been avoided if some actual legal permission was given before a release was made. Then there is the other points that have been brought up by IJTF_Cinder, and I think we are entitled to some technical answers to see if this is a real project with real work being done or just a rehack of a hack.

Very nice post and something we have been trying to get across. Our goal wasn't to tell sites not to support it, but to give them information so they could decide for themselves. Just like the work IJTF_Cinder did to find more information about it by going to the technical side is something that we have been trying to do and we are finally getting some answers. Just like I have posted before..

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I must also say I am in no way coming for trouble but would like to get some answers to questions that have gone ignored. It is also nice to be a part of 1Emulation community and I look forward to being affiliates in the near future. I will be sure to post elsewhere on the forums

In the following quotes except the last one Snail's comments are the ones in bold. Can we get a response the counter points to your legal homework that have been reported on your legal thread as well as EmuFanatics forums? http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php...indpost&p=74921 http://www.emufanatics.com/forums/index.ph...findpost&p=9599 Could you please provide us with some of the technical side if the changes you have done since MiC, Chris, Den, Max, Dai and Fehmi created the US frontend and loader. You claim to have changed and rewritten 40% of the emulator and 3 major changes, but these are not listed. Were the changes frontend only or have you done anything to the core, and if you have changes the core then what exactly was changed. How does this justify the legality of this project? Because they haven't responded does not give you the right. The wise thing to do would have been to wait and get permission before hand. Here is a quote that we would like answers to aswell. "You still have no managed to explain the one thing that all us developers are still wondering. How does one assemble(compile) these sources? as for modifying it to use DirectX 8, not sure why you'd do that now that DirectX 9 is around, not to mention all versions of DirectX are "backwards compatable" due to the COM architecture, meaning that upgrading to DirectX 8 is no special feat if it even requires any major changes at all or if it was not DirectX 8 to begin with." (ment to post this in the Poll thread but it was deleted)