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    Need some answers :)

    in Gossip Café [/offtopic]

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    I have taken it upon myself to reply to your original e-mail that was passed around from the tech support. I used the same Support Ticket number with your original e-mail message attached to verify the information. I also explained the situation about the copyrights being broken and the illegal use being done.

     

    This is the reply I got back.

     

    Thank you for e-mailing Sega Technical Support.

     

    I forwarded your e-mail to my corporate office.

     

    Sincerely,

     

              -Sandi

              Sega of America Technical Support

    So hopefully something will come from this with it either being labeled legal or illegal.

    Need some answers :)

    in Gossip Café [/offtopic]

    Posted

    Another question I have been meaning to ask Snail is what does he mean better in this comment to a known emulation developer Runik (Saturnin).

     

    From Snail

     

    Runik.

    As a whiney complainer here with nothing to add to the support of the progress of this project, why do you waste peoples time posting? If you truely belive the work being done is worthless, then produce something better, or quit your bitching. We seek helpful people not those trying to thwart our efforts.

     

    -Snail

    He mentions producing something better.. better then GiriGiri? From what I can see that kind of comment seems a bit out of place since Snail did not produce GiriGiri.

     

    Also in the history it mentions that Snail has made emulators in the past and helped make others better. I am curious what other types of projects he has worked on and if they were ever made public.

     

    That brings us to my dabbling with the emu.

    While I've made several emus and have vastly improved on many,

    for the reasons listed above, this emu has been a bear to get any improvements working.

    Apparently he is an amazing coder when it comes to assembly, but I am curious why he never started something from scratch that was legit if he has the skills?

     

    Well just a few more questions to add to the others. Hopefully soon we will get some answers from Snail himself.

    Need some answers :)

    in Gossip Café [/offtopic]

    Posted · Edited by Keith

    It is pretty sad that you believe I turned your own network against you. Last I checked I wasn't the one doing the illegal things that people are complaining about.

     

    The more information that gets out the more people are seeing the full picture. What GameCop did, he did on his own. If GameCop and his team feel it needs to be removed then that was their decision.

     

    You guys can keep doing it for as long as you want, that doesn't really matter. I wouldn't expect much support from the development and emulation site scene though. I am sure there will still be many users who will support the project because it does work very well. The original GiriGiri team did a wonderful job creating it. There is no mistake there.

     

    I guess we could use your excuse.. if the Cassini team ignores the questions being asked regarding the technical side and the legal side.. then we can assume we are right. ;)

     

    Also distribution of illegal material free or for money is still against the law. Your statement is naive and pretty ignorant.

    Need some answers :)

    in Gossip Café [/offtopic]

    Posted · Edited by Keith

    This is not about the use of Cassini.. the use of ROMS.. or the use of anything illegal. This has been stated so many times it is getting repetitive.

     

    This debate is about the legal and moral side of taking a project and hacking it to make it your own when you don't have the right. It is also about protecting the emulation scene, the developers, and our fellow sites from these types of projects.

     

    Past projects have been viewed the same way. Originally GiriGiri hack was not covered by emulation sites because of legal reasons. Emurayden is not covered which is a CVGS hack. Same goes for other hacks that have come along such as ePSXiPC which was nothing more then a hacked ePSXe, and the Veritas SPU plugin which was a hack of the PSX SPU Plugin Eternal SPU. I am sure there is many more and all of these are not supported by the emulation community.

     

    In the end it all comes down the integrity of the Emulation Scene and how sites want to be perceived. EmuFanatics and myself are connected with many emulation developers who I consider good friends who have supported our site and I feel supporting a hacked project is a slap in their face.

     

    Also Cassini is not supported by any known developers.. which should be the thing that would concern me from a technical and development standpoint.

     

    Also are we ever going to get some technical answers to what changes have been done since Snail started working on the already hacked GiriGiri? Or answers to the legal counterpoints I posted in the first post of this thread?

    Need some answers :)

    in Gossip Café [/offtopic]

    Posted · Edited by Keith

    GameCop the same happened to me, I was presented with the emulator and at the time felt it was alright to support it. The only problem I had with it at the time was that it included a bios in the download. Then as I was presented with more information I started to see it differently. Once it was released as Cassini a lot of sites were confused and posting it as a "new" open source Saturn emulator. So I made the general warning post which led to the rest.

     

    So I understand where you are coming from GameCop.

    Need some answers :)

    in Gossip Café [/offtopic]

    Posted · Edited by Keith

    Yeah I would hope the decision is based off of their own thoughts about the Cassini project on not pressure from any sites. I would still enjoy and support 1Emulation if they continued the support of Cassini and was never an issue. GameCop was and probably still is in a tough spot, and I know I wouldn't want to be in it. He seems like he knows what he is doing and I have full confidence he is making the right choice.

     

    I think a lot of stuff could have been avoided if some actual legal permission was given before a release was made.

     

    Then there is the other points that have been brought up by IJTF_Cinder, and I think we are entitled to some technical answers to see if this is a real project with real work being done or just a rehack of a hack.

    Need some answers :)

    in Gossip Café [/offtopic]

    Posted · Edited by Keith

    Very nice post and something we have been trying to get across. Our goal wasn't to tell sites not to support it, but to give them information so they could decide for themselves.

     

    Just like the work IJTF_Cinder did to find more information about it by going to the technical side is something that we have been trying to do and we are finally getting some answers.

     

    Just like I have posted before..

     

    This information and debate are not about the users using this emulator. The users are going to use the emulator anyways regardless if it is legal or not legal. It is the same with ROMS and other forms of illegal software. What people choose to do is up to them and we are not here to tell them what to do.

     

    This debate is about the legal and moral side of taking a project and hacking it to make it your own when you don't have the right. It is also about protecting the emulation scene, the developers, and our fellow sites from these types of projects.

     

    Past projects have been viewed the same way. Originally GiriGiri hack was not covered by emulation sites because of legal reasons. Emurayden is not covered which is a CVGS hack. Same goes for other hacks that have come along such as ePSXiPC which was nothing more then a hacked ePSXe, and the Veritas SPU plugin which was a hack of the PSX SPU Plugin Eternal SPU. I am sure there is many more and all of these are not supported by the emulation community.

     

    In the end it all comes down the integrity of the Emulation Scene and how sites want to be perceived. EmuFanatics and myself are connected with many emulation developers who I consider good friends who have supported our site and I feel supporting a hacked project is a slap in their face.

     

    Like many people said if you want to make an emulator.. fine, but make it your own or start with a "true" open source project and build on that. Taking other peoples hard work and calling it your own no matter how much you have claimed to of hacked it, is just morally wrong to me. I think I have been pretty opened minded up to this point, but I feel I should give my opinion on the matter and this is it.

    Need some answers :)

    in Gossip Café [/offtopic]

    Posted

    I must also say I am in no way coming for trouble but would like to get some answers to questions that have gone ignored.

     

    It is also nice to be a part of 1Emulation community and I look forward to being affiliates in the near future. :)

     

    I will be sure to post elsewhere on the forums :)

    Need some answers :)

    in Gossip Café [/offtopic]

    Posted · Edited by Keith

    In the following quotes except the last one Snail's comments are the ones in bold.

     

    He is making him look bad, not only is what they are "purportedly" doing illegal, but Snail is lying to him about the supposed work he's done.

     

    Well, aren't you the pompus ass with the accusations?

    I did my legal research.

    I did my work.

    Aside from alligations, what have you done?

    Can we get a response the counter points to your legal homework that have been reported on your legal thread as well as EmuFanatics forums?

     

    http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php...indpost&p=74921

     

    http://www.emufanatics.com/forums/index.ph...findpost&p=9599

     

     

    I've compared files, and Snail has not only packed the "Cassini" exe, but he's obfuscated it (Nobody does that unless they're trying to hide something)

     

    No sh!t Sherlock.

     

    at the very most some minor hex edits have been done

     

    Well, its clearly obvious you are no programmer.

    I'd like to see you accomplish what I've done with a hex editor.

     

     

    and a TOTALLY useless ASM dump was generated.

     

     

    It is only uselss if you're only a lame ass compiler who has no clue how assembly works.

    Could you please provide us with some of the technical side if the changes you have done since MiC, Chris, Den, Max, Dai and Fehmi created the US frontend and loader.

     

    You claim to have changed and rewritten 40% of the emulator and 3 major changes, but these are not listed. Were the changes frontend only or have you done anything to the core, and if you have changes the core then what exactly was changed.

     

    If you read all the information presented, you would know that Sega was contacted both by land mail and email.

     

    Sega did not, has not, responded to the land mail.

     

    Sega did respond to the e-mail, and sent it to tech support.

    That was THEIR decision to let tech support handle it.

     

    How does this justify the legality of this project? Because they haven't responded does not give you the right. The wise thing to do would have been to wait and get permission before hand.

     

    Here is a quote that we would like answers to aswell.

     

    "You still have no managed to explain the one thing that all us developers are still wondering. How does one assemble(compile) these sources? as for modifying it to use DirectX 8, not sure why you'd do that now that DirectX 9 is around, not to mention all versions of DirectX are "backwards compatable" due to the COM architecture, meaning that upgrading to DirectX 8 is no special feat if it even requires any major changes at all or if it was not DirectX 8 to begin with."

     

    (ment to post this in the Poll thread but it was deleted)

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