Halo 2 Vs. Typical High School Stupidity

[Agozer]

Same goes with that game (forgot it's name) that was made entirely with voxel graphics. No, I'm not talking about Delta Force.

 

The first one? That really old Mechwarrior clone?

 

Nono...ahh, what was it...it used the same perspective as Tomb Raider (3rd person view).

Edited November 10, 2004 by Agozer

[random guy]

Same goes with that game (forgot it's name) that was made entirely with voxel graphics. No, I'm not talking about Delta Force.

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The first one? That really old Mechwarrior clone?

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Nono...ahh, what was it...it used the same perspective as Tomb Raider (3rd person view).

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Alome in the Dark?

[Agozer]

Same goes with that game (forgot it's name) that was made entirely with voxel graphics. No, I'm not talking about Delta Force.

 

The first one? That really old Mechwarrior clone?

 

Nono...ahh, what was it...it used the same perspective as Tomb Raider (3rd person view).

Alome in the Dark?

Alone in the dark wasn't made with voxels.

[OverlordMondo]

Wtf is a voxel?

[Daeval]

The best thing about it is that it wasn't on the PC.  But Halo 2 flocking owns.  And it has online play, which defeats all purpose of using an actual PC rather than a console to play a FPS.

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Well.. except for the potentially superior graphics, mouse + keyboard control, and unsurpassed level of additional user-made content, including TC mods that amount to free online games.

 

Granted, the graphics may not be a big deal for you, and you may not prefer a mouse + keyboard (which is crazy talk, but to each his own), or you may have a mouse + keyboard for the XBox. But, you can't dispute the extra content, except to make an extremely generalized "it all sucks" statement, which would just be stubborn.

 

Both PC and consoles have their ups and downs, but neither is entirely eclipsed by the other.

[Gryph]

Wtf is a voxel?

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Volume pixel. Think of it like a 3D pixel.

 

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/V/voxel.html

[Agozer]

Wtf is a voxel?

 

It's a three-dimensional pixel (a volume pixel) that has a z-coordinate along with the x- and y-coordinates.

 

EDIT: Oh, Gryph had my ace in his hole.

Edited November 11, 2004 by Agozer

[OverlordMondo]

The best thing about it is that it wasn't on the PC.  But Halo 2 flocking owns.  And it has online play, which defeats all purpose of using an actual PC rather than a console to play a FPS.

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Well.. except for the potentially superior graphics, mouse + keyboard control, and unsurpassed level of additional user-made content, including TC mods that amount to free online games.

 

Granted, the graphics may not be a big deal for you, and you may not prefer a mouse + keyboard (which is crazy talk, but to each his own), or you may have a mouse + keyboard for the XBox. But, you can't dispute the extra content, except to make an extremely generalized "it all sucks" statement, which would just be stubborn.

 

Both PC and consoles have their ups and downs, but neither is entirely eclipsed by the other.

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"Potentially" is the key word on graphics. I do prefer a mouse and keyboard, which IS available, if you really want one. And the extra content all sucks. No, some of the extra content is good. The biggest problems with PC games is the amount and cost of the equipment required to run them. An XBox, the game, a controller, and a 12 month LIVE subscription kit, costs about 300 dollars. A reasonably usable gaming PC costs at least 400. Which is what I paid for mine. But then, it was missing a monitor, windows software, speakers, a mouse & keyboard...and I STILL haven't gotten it working, because getting them working requires knowledge the masses don't have. Computers are too variable to find a good tutorial on how to get one running, and most forums tend to overwhelm new users. I'd try asking here, but I don't even know what I'd need to ask.

 

And thanks for the Voxel info.

Edited November 11, 2004 by LordKanti

[Agozer]

Finally remembered that game... It was Outcast.

[Daeval]

The best thing about it is that it wasn't on the PC.  But Halo 2 flocking owns.  And it has online play, which defeats all purpose of using an actual PC rather than a console to play a FPS.

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Well.. except for the potentially superior graphics, mouse + keyboard control, and unsurpassed level of additional user-made content, including TC mods that amount to free online games.

 

Granted, the graphics may not be a big deal for you, and you may not prefer a mouse + keyboard (which is crazy talk, but to each his own), or you may have a mouse + keyboard for the XBox. But, you can't dispute the extra content, except to make an extremely generalized "it all sucks" statement, which would just be stubborn.

 

Both PC and consoles have their ups and downs, but neither is entirely eclipsed by the other.

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"Potentially" is the key word on graphics. I do prefer a mouse and keyboard, which IS available, if you really want one. And the extra content all sucks. No, some of the extra content is good. The biggest problems with PC games is the amount and cost of the equipment required to run them. An XBox, the game, a controller, and a 12 month LIVE subscription kit, costs about 300 dollars. A reasonably usable gaming PC costs at least 400. Which is what I paid for mine. But then, it was missing a monitor, windows software, speakers, a mouse & keyboard...and I STILL haven't gotten it working, because getting them working requires knowledge the masses don't have. Computers are too variable to find a good tutorial on how to get one running, and most forums tend to overwhelm new users. I'd try asking here, but I don't even know what I'd need to ask.

 

And thanks for the Voxel info.

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Right, part of the balance between consoles and computers is the "bang for your buck" factor. For someone who has neither, a console is much cheaper than a top-of-the-line, or even a "good enough to last you a few years," gaming PC. If all you want to do is play some games, consoles are an easier choice. However, things balance out when you factor in all of the hojillions of other things you can do with a PC. In the end, it comes down to what I said originally: They each have their ups and downs.

 

As for the knowledge needed to get a computer running.. That's the downside to having a set of standards that runs on any number of fully customizable systems. The solution, aside from having a nerdy friend do it for you, is to buy a pre-built system with tech support. It's the PC equivalent of the console mindset - A box with everything you need already in it, just plug in the wires and go. You sacrifice customizability for ease-of-use, just as with consoles.

 

As far as good user-made content goes, check out Red Orchestra, Air Buccaneers, and the officially released custom content packs for UT2004, Day of Defeat, Natural Selection, or CounterStrike (Yes, CS is user-made content, Valve just bought up the users ) for Half-Life, Desert Combat for Battlefield 1942, etc etc. And that's just limited to FPS games.

[Gryph]

Finally remembered that game... It was Outcast.

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Ah yes!! That game ruled! It was really ahead of its time.