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1) Sorry, that doesn't answer my question to what I was asking before. Your answering with an opinion, not fact. What is a known fact is that early 360 models had a fatal defect, which Microsoft acknoledges. With the new 3 year warrenty, you can BS your way through if you have any problems. That goes for any 360 owner who bought the system any time between launch day and 12 months after it.
2) Home's features are it's selling points (or rather, points to get people to jump on Home then XBLive), and if we see them in future updates, whats the point in putting it out now? In fact, it was delayed because of it's features. Or it's lack of there of.
3) I didn't outright say MGS4 cost 10 Million to make, I said it costs somewhere in the Tens of Millions to make, meaning 10 to 20 Million. By your logic, the game breaks even by paying for it self, when it's split in god knows how many ways between multiple parties. I'm just assuming three because it's Sony, Konami and Kojima Productions. Selling a system at a loss is not stupid, it's a way to garner more sales. Konami would probably take the hit and cut off 15-20 dollars off the price tag as well since the PS3 is doing OK and not GREAT like how Sony & Co. expected it to be. Which means it would take more copies to break even. Less cost = great for consumers, bad for companies. It costs more to break even that way if you haven't figured it out.
1. You DO realize that the Falcon Mobo does get the RRoD right?? If not Please google it if you want. It took MS one whole year to finally get something SORTA right, and all they did was hand out some free xbox live cards and "Oh its ok now" The PS3 has been out for one year and Home isnt here = Unacceptable??, even tho Online play is fully functional and plays perfectly fine for free. You Mentioned Sony not being able to get its machine to cool efficientlyEven tho they are working on another Heatsink, while Microsoft didnt get it right the first(Xenon), second(Zephyr) AND third(Falcon) time. Alot of people are just allowing MS to mess up, and keep going. As if its ok that you spent 300 bucks on an unreliable system, no biggie.
Of course im answering with opinion, as are you.
2. Nobody really cares about home. Home is just an extra fancy thing to look at. What the consumer wants is In game XMB and Game Invites. Thats it. Home is free, so will most get it? Yea why not, but according to you Blu-ray was its selling points, now its Home?? Nobody will buy the PS3 JUST for Home. Thats flocking Retarded.
3. Ok so lets say it costed them 50 Million TOTAL to make this game. They STILL come out winning by selling JUST one million copies. And the game will sell more then 1 million, on top of the fact that the game will also be a system seller.
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So let's just say I have a PS3, with it's excellent 4~% Failure Rate and lo and behold, mine stop working after 3 years of practically flawless play. Sony's warrenty ended 2 years previously after my purchase and my store bought warrenty just ran out after 3 years of no problems. What do I do then? Do I send my system back to Sony so they can repair it for a fee ($200+ not counting S+H) or do I buy a new and improved PS3? Then let's say I go with the previous and it suffers a heat related problem, do I go through the hassle of doing it all over again? This time only covering the S+H costs? Then again because Sony can't get their act together of developing a machine that doesn't cool sufficiantely. Now what do I do then? Do I keep spending money on shipping and handling just for them to get it right or what? This mirrors the issues with PS2. My launch PS2 survived for years until one day it stopped working. This was 3 years after I modded it also. With my warrenty voided already (since it was already void after 12 months after I bought it) and not any of the ill-fated R production units, I would have spent more money for Sony trying to fix it then buying a new one. One of my friends had a SCPH-3000x R unit and instead of sending it to Sony, he just bought a new one because all the problems they had at the time.
What your saying applies to all electronics. There are no exceptions. And what about those sratched discs? Well for on, there was a class action suit against MS and they changed it, as seen with 360s with newer disc drives, so the problem doesn't presist unless, through machine or user error, discs end up getting stratched in the 360.
Thats true but the way i was looking at it was more on the fact that 5%<40%. And just about all well produced electronics have lower then a 10% failure rate when done right. But ive read articles where is clearly says that This is Microsofts fault because they wanted to Rush the system out there. So what i was getting at is that since the RRoD is a known Fucck-up due to Microsoft wanting to rush things, this should be a Lifetime warrenty. Unless they will take EVERYONEs 360 back and replace them with Mobos that Do not have this problem, which we all know isnt gonna happen. Those 5% failure rates are usually a few systems that something went wrong, something sony/Microsoft or any other company could control. But the RRoD is a Known problem and the way they fix this is by sending you ANOTHER system that can just as easily get the RRoD. In that same article i mentioned earlier(Which i think was here that i read) It states that when u send the 360, u get another fixed console. So you could have sent in a Falcon mobo and then get a Fixed Xenon mobo instead of a FIXED system.
Sorry, it's fair game the way I (and many others see it). Only difference is Xbox Live is a tried and test formula that works out, while Sony's offering is, in theory, supplying all the Xbox Live Gold benifits for free. Only they say Home will be better then Xbox Live Gold. Their service seems like junk to me because of Sony's track record of promising us something and meeting us half way there. See now, I love Sony televisions, I think their some of the best TVs on the market, but when it comes to gaming, their halfed-ass decisions will eventually catch up to them. I don't think it's justice that PS3 right now is being bought by HD movie consumers then it's supposed core demographic of gamers.Home isnt a big concern, but all the other features are supposedly coming in future updates, and if they do manage to get in game, invites and in game XMB, then what??
How do you know it will be a $60 dollar title in an American Econemy that's falling. For all we know it might break 79.99 due to it's development costs. Also factor in Konami doesn't get 100% of the profits. They split it 3 ways with Sony (for licensing fees, publishing, promotion+anything else), Konami (possible DLC, promotion, publishing) and Kojima Productions(possible DLC, development, promotion). We also don't know how much they do split it. There are also factors such as the final cut on how much it was being made for. Gaming companies don't release how much they've spent on developing titles unless they wanted too. I don't know how much their spending on MGS4, I'm just assuming that their spending more then 10 Mill given the time it's taken and the raising developer's cost.And im just using the numbers your putting out there. So with that said, if the game manages to hit that 79.99 price tag, then they would profit even more because im STILL pretty sure that people will buy this game. And using the logic applied earlier, that would be 80 Million Divided by 3 = 27 million. Thats still much more then 10 Million. Maybe Sony is stupid enough to sell a system at a loss but i doubt Konomi would allow themselves to do the same. Specially to such a popular titles like MGS
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/me throws flare into middle
I see this slowly turning into flamebait, just a reminder to keep things civil and "discuss". One bit of personal attacks and zis vill be clozed!
Opinions are fine, but there is enough fanboyism in this thread already that I thought I was on the Maxconsole forums.
i really was trying to keep it calm, but thats IMPOSSIBLE in this forum.
Then everyone b1Tches about nobody posting.
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The motion sensing controller patent was filed before the Wii was released. So yeh, topic blunted.Fix the RRODs? Nah...
Release more games? 1t g0tz H4l0 trhee!!!11!!one
Make it cheaper? That's boriiing!
Why all this ignorant hating? They fixed the RRODs, there are heaps of games coming out, and there have been multiple price drops - at least one per region. 3 in Australia in the last 14 months.
i REALLY dont mean to send this in a bad direction, but No they Didnt
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all of your bickering over who has the better system is pretty worthless. eventually the price of both of them will come down low enuff were most of us will own both, or just be early adopters like me who have nothing better to do with their xtra cash since they dont drink or smoke or anything like that than to buy all they systems lol. just be happy with the system ya got and STFU eventually in most cases now a days as a lot of post in this topic have said exclusives dont mean jack sh!t. a game will eventually end up on another system months to yrs better with something xtra that make u wanna get it even if u have the original. the devs gotta make a buck so u can rest assured while they are releasing an exclusive for one system they got slaves in the back making a port for the others. mark my words one day u will see a gears on ps3 and u will see a final fantasy on a 360. or something close to those titles.
This COMPLETELY erases the need for a forum.
Wizard/BK: Yes, the 360 is most definitly in the lead with the better games for now, but still, what good are those games when you cannot play them?? WHen you do the warrenty, You get back another system that has just as much a chance of getting the RRoD. Theres no way to escape it. Pure luck. At any random moment.
So lets just say, you get REALLY lucky, your Xbox 360 has been working FLAWLESSLY for 3 Years. Then BOOM. RRoD. Is that 300-500 bucks well spent?? Sure theyre replacing the broken xboxs, but theyre all still liable to eventually fail. And this isnt something that is the consumers fault at all.
What about those 360s that scratches up Discs? That 3 year warrenty only covers RRoD.
And to compare Live is unfair since Live is a paid service, you'd better damn well expect to get top notch service if youre paying for it. All those things like Ingame XMB and Game invites apparently are coming to PSN for Free.
Also on the MGS thing, this is me just kinda thinkin about it since i dont know much on the economic system of the gaming industry, but MGS4 is a 60 dollar game, and the MUST HAVE of the PS3. So i can guarantee that the game will sell over a million and also it will sell the PS3 as well. So wouldnt 1 Million, 60 dollar games turn in more then 10 million?? Just a thought
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Yes, people are scaremongoring over the failure rates of 360s. Everyone I know has NEVER had their 360 do a permenet RRoD on them. A simple reboot is what all it took for it to get back on it's tracks. Alot of consumers don't bother to put it in a well ventilated area and their complaining about overheating issues? I tell you, if you want a product with a fail rate of 5%, then buddy, don't buy anything until the 6-7th generation, heck, don't even use any computer above a 486, that CPU is practically bug free now and NASA uses it! Nothing is perfect, that includes building a machine.
Just because it's doing better, doesn't mean it's for all the right reasons. You know the majority of users buying it? People who want cheap and affordable Blu-Ray players. Gamers for the PS3 make up about 40% of that ratio. Major consumers are more concerned about it being a glorifed and cheap Blu-Ray player that can also play games on the side and not the other way around.
"The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated" - Mark Twain. It applies to 360 RRoDs as well.
I understand what you mean, but once again, This is still making me as the consumer more uncomfortable with purchasing this system. Even if the numbers arent as drastic as the first post you made, they still are very drastic. And at the price of 300-500 bucks, im looking to get my moneys worth.
So what youre all basically saying is, that the RRoD means nothing and shouldnt at all alter your judgment on which system you should buy?
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Also, I was watching the preview towards GTAIV in gametrailers, and one of the facts posted on the side where the number of pre-sales at that time, and much like the console numbers, X360 had double the amount of GTAIV pre-sales over Ps3, and the numbers where in the millions.
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Anything over 5% imo is unacceptable.
When i buy my system, the last thing i need to be thinking about is "Will it break on me??" or "How long should i play until it gets too hot??"
and THAT was what made me buy the PS3.
Why should you be thinking about that in any case? That's what the warranty is for. The numbers are wildly exaggerated- no one I know, with launch or more recent 360 consoles has seen a Red Ring.
If you bought a PS3 over a 360 solely because of all the scaremongering on the internet, well, I don't know what to tell you. Don't take it from the whining internet masses- judge the system's reliability for yourself.
On the contrary, everyone i know has got the RRoD, including my brother. I know people who've had to return thier Xboxs more then once. One friend of mine went 3 weeks without his xbox.
Everyone is really taking the 360 RRoD with a grain of salt and i for one see it as unacceptable.
The PS3 and the 360 share many 3rd party games anyway so im not missing out on much. And There are quite a few Sony exclusives i want to play as well. All in all, the ps3 is the better system in my eyes.
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Anything over 5% imo is unacceptable.
When i buy my system, the last thing i need to be thinking about is "Will it break on me??" or "How long should i play until it gets too hot??"
and THAT was what made me buy the PS3.
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Ok so lets do the math here.
The site updates constantly so last i checked the numbers were as follows
Xbox 360 = 18,200,000
PS3 = 9,209,000
Alright, The Xbox 360 had just abou exactly one year on the PS3 correct?
So, 9,209,000 x 2 = 18,418,000
So its can be said the the PS3 isnt doing any worst then the 360 when it came out. Apparently its doing a bit better.
Now Going by Wizards Numbers, which are quite accurate last i checked. We'll just about see how the numbers of the failure rate looks.
18,200,000 x 0.4 = 7,280,000
9,209,000 x 0.03 = 276,270
Heck, lets divide by two to get the Yearly number
7,280,000/2 = 3,640,000
UNACCEPTABLE for a 300-500(USD) System.
What good are exclusives when u cant play em?
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System Stability is what Killed the Xbox 360 and made way for the PS3 to even have a chance in Winning the Next gen war with Sleeper titles like Echochrome.
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Thats A Mighty Fine Movie GC. Too bad he cant continue making good movies anymore
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I like. Really should get back to watching those tutorial vids sometime.
Thx mate. Here's one freshly done and 15 seconds old jpg for ya
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How do you make those lines? Ive always wanted to know, of all things i have a hard time in with Photoshop, Lines seem to get me =\
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GREAT GREAT GREAT Movie
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The PS controllers. While the analog on the 360 pad is placed nicely, the D-pad isnt and its quite horrendous.
The N64 Controllers i hated, to use the D-Pad was the Worst, the controller was too wide and some games were just better off being played with the D-Pad
The Blisterfull Dreamcast controller was Ok except lack of second analog and the rough ass buttons which gave u blisters if u played enough
SNES controllers are second best to the PS because they are very Flimsy and sometimes u have to push hard in order to use some buttons. Its rare but it happens
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As of now, i can agree with you, but as for the future, the 360 will be at the end of the pack. System stability is a big thing for people who want to spend 400 bucks for a gaming system.
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According to a recent news channel survey of 10 different Australian video games retailers (with over 2000 stores spread across the continent): "The Xbox 360 is dead. We are stocking it because of our relationship with Microsoft ..." If that's not a big statement to you, just wait, we've got more. The same retailer claims that the other two consoles are succeeding due to the appeal to children/women, and Blu-ray, respectively. They think the 360 brand can't really be redeemed after the RROD, and that the value proposition offered by Microsoft did not seem equal in comparison to the competition.
Furthermore, the Australian retailers are considering dropping the console from stores entirely: "We are stocking it because of our relationship with Microsoft, however all our energy and marketing is going into the PS3 and the Nintendo Wii unless Microsoft come up with something new or additional marketing dollars,." "Halo 3 was big on the Xbox but that was about it." "They have tried discounting and value add offers and even that is not working. We are even thinking of dumping the console all together."
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Ehh i like my Flawless PS3, never have to open it.
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It was a monster film, plain and simple. Since when was there a monster film that was actually intense and had you on the edge of your seat in the last 10 years? With the King Kong remake as a letdown and Godzilla just being awful, this movie takes the cake.
Everyone hates the camera work, big whoop. It's the major complaint about the movie, and everyone knows that. Even I hated the camera work, but still found the film very enjoyable.
And if you were expecting it to "return to cinema" mode, what made you think that? The film was completely shot on digital 8s.
......King Kong was Great
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I hate that 360 owners get Yoda in Soul Calibur 4.
No crap, we should get Vader. ps3 should get princess leya or some ewoks.
Nah I think we should keep Vader
And something tells me That Yoda is gonna kick major ass because Microsoft would NEVER allow something like this to happen. Yoda is gonna be Super fast and Vader is gonna be Slow, Speed is usually the upper hand in Soul Caliber games so i wouldnt be too angry if i was you.
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I see. Can you describe what the pennies and electrical tape do? What's this towel trick I've heard about?
the motherboard is not supported well, when the box gets hot it causes the motherboard to sag, which damages the solders on the CPU/GPU. over time causing the red rings of death. the towel trick overheats the box and remelts the solders. Not recommended but it will do in a pinch, the penny fix adds support to the board not allowing it to flex. there is another fix called xclamp that does the same thing as well but cost some money getting parts from the hardware store.
My system RRoDed almost a year ago now, I did the penny fix and have had zero problems with it since. here's a link to the full tut on X-S: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=606431
After some thought, im gonna buy an already RRoD Xbox 360 from Ebay, and try it out myself =]
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Thanks, im going to write another when i buy the Blu-Ray and watch it with the Alternate Ending.
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Also, I Wrote the I Am Legend Review.
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i Write Blogs, listen to Hip Hop songs about people who have it worst then me, Play PS3, Go Emo on Myspace/AIM for a lil while on purpose for laughs and then talk to a friend
Teh best game ever? What's yours?
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Super Mario World.