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Rag
Does anyone know of any GC alternative controllers that have a nicer D-Pad, maybe nicer button placement? The standard one doesn't work well with games like MMX Collection. Or in general for that matter.

I know about the HORI one but its too rare/expensive.
Hera
QUOTE (Rag @ Apr 16 2009, 12:43 AM) *
Does anyone know of any GC alternative controllers that have a nicer D-Pad, maybe nicer button placement? The standard one doesn't work well with games like MMX Collection. Or in general for that matter.

I know about the HORI one but its too rare/expensive.


I haven't been able to find ANYTHING. Perhaps my resources are limited but I really dislike the controllers for the GC. mad.gif
Rag
QUOTE (Hera @ Apr 15 2009, 11:44 PM) *
QUOTE (Rag @ Apr 16 2009, 12:43 AM) *

Does anyone know of any GC alternative controllers that have a nicer D-Pad, maybe nicer button placement? The standard one doesn't work well with games like MMX Collection. Or in general for that matter.

I know about the HORI one but its too rare/expensive.


I haven't been able to find ANYTHING. Perhaps my resources are limited but I really dislike the controllers for the GC. mad.gif


It seems like there really isn't one. Anyone else have any suggestions?

I might just go with a GC - PS2 controller converter but I'd rather have something built specifically for the GC to avoid any compatibility issues.
Agozer
I just use a PS2 style controller. I either map the C-buttons to the four face buttons or to the right analog stick.
Rag
QUOTE (Agozer @ Apr 16 2009, 05:21 AM) *
I just use a PS2 style controller. I either map the C-buttons to the four face buttons or to the right analog stick.


Do you have any problems with the triggers because they function on sensitivity on the GC but not on the PS2?
Agozer
All the buttons on the PS2 controller are pressure sensitive (excluding Select and Start, obviously). It's another matter whether the adapter actually recognizes this.
ken_cinder
QUOTE (Agozer @ Apr 16 2009, 06:03 PM) *
All the buttons on the PS2 controller are pressure sensitive (excluding Select and Start, obviously). It's another matter whether the adapter actually recognizes this.


The pressure sensitive crap on the PS2 buttons is literally one gigantic JOKE. They don't work well at all.

I can understand the Dpad hate on the Cube controller, but otherwise it's a far superior controller to anything I've ever used.

Why not get one of those Hori Digital pads?
Rag
QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Apr 16 2009, 05:17 PM) *
QUOTE (Agozer @ Apr 16 2009, 06:03 PM) *

All the buttons on the PS2 controller are pressure sensitive (excluding Select and Start, obviously). It's another matter whether the adapter actually recognizes this.


The pressure sensitive crap on the PS2 buttons is literally one gigantic JOKE. They don't work well at all.

I can understand the Dpad hate on the Cube controller, but otherwise it's a far superior controller to anything I've ever used.

Why not get one of those Hori Digital pads?


I really want a Hori Digital pad but they are hard to come across and when I do find them, they are upwards of $40-50+ and I don't want to spend that much on a controller :/
Agozer
QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Apr 16 2009, 05:17 PM) *
The pressure sensitive crap on the PS2 buttons is literally one gigantic JOKE. They don't work well at all.

I actually prefer the way PS2 does it. I think they work fine. In contrast, I can't stand the GC controller's pressure sensitive triggers.
Krosigrim
QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Apr 16 2009, 06:17 PM) *
I can understand the Dpad hate on the Cube controller, but otherwise it's a far superior controller to anything I've ever used.

Wait... what? On the GC? or ever? Besides... almost ANYTHING is better that the GC controller. OMFG what were they smoking. Sh!tty bean shaped c buttons, big A little b. Like Agozer says... those triggers are annoying. How the hell can anyone play that new Cap vs whatever game with any decency with it?

"Far superior"... I'm speechless.
Agozer
Personal preference raises its ugly/beautiful/something-in-between head once again.
Rag
I think I'll go with Agozer on this one and try out a converter. Thanks for the suggestions people.

If I do it relatively soon, I'll post on how it goes but I probably won't, other priorities.
ken_cinder
QUOTE (Belthasar @ Apr 17 2009, 06:09 AM) *
QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Apr 16 2009, 06:17 PM) *

I can understand the Dpad hate on the Cube controller, but otherwise it's a far superior controller to anything I've ever used.

Wait... what? On the GC? or ever? Besides... almost ANYTHING is better that the GC controller. OMFG what were they smoking. Sh!tty bean shaped c buttons, big A little b. Like Agozer says... those triggers are annoying. How the hell can anyone play that new Cap vs whatever game with any decency with it?

"Far superior"... I'm speechless.


Most ergonomic controller EVER, the shaped buttons lend themselves to a new user not having to even LOOK at the buttons, and I think the triggers are far from annoying. They're better than the triggers on ANY other controller. The sloppy Dreamcast triggers, the joke that is analog on PS2 (How does something with NO range of motion call itself analog?), the only one even close to "getting it" is Microsoft.

The PS1, PS2 and PS3 controllers are all the same......SNES copycats with nothing really new. Same goes for the Analog sticks on the Sony controllers, they're far too weak and loose, they have the same piss-poor "Flick it like it's your micro azn male organ" design Sanwa arcade sticks do tongue.gif

Neither is good for fighting games anyway. Shoulder buttons as B5 and B6? GTFO.....
Rag
QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Apr 18 2009, 06:57 PM) *
QUOTE (Belthasar @ Apr 17 2009, 06:09 AM) *

QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Apr 16 2009, 06:17 PM) *

I can understand the Dpad hate on the Cube controller, but otherwise it's a far superior controller to anything I've ever used.

Wait... what? On the GC? or ever? Besides... almost ANYTHING is better that the GC controller. OMFG what were they smoking. Sh!tty bean shaped c buttons, big A little b. Like Agozer says... those triggers are annoying. How the hell can anyone play that new Cap vs whatever game with any decency with it?

"Far superior"... I'm speechless.


Most ergonomic controller EVER, the shaped buttons lend themselves to a new user not having to even LOOK at the buttons, and I think the triggers are far from annoying. They're better than the triggers on ANY other controller. The sloppy Dreamcast triggers, the joke that is analog on PS2 (How does something with NO range of motion call itself analog?), the only one even close to "getting it" is Microsoft.

The PS1, PS2 and PS3 controllers are all the same......SNES copycats with nothing really new. Same goes for the Analog sticks on the Sony controllers, they're far too weak and loose, they have the same piss-poor "Flick it like it's your micro azn male organ" design Sanwa arcade sticks do tongue.gif

Neither is good for fighting games anyway. Shoulder buttons as B5 and B6? GTFO.....


Nintendo always comes up with an interesting controller design. Whether its a flop or not I guess comes down to a matter of preference. Some people still prefer the age-old SNES style controller over more liberal designs. Personally, I like the path Nintendo takes with their controllers, and I don't really dislike the Gamecube one, but the D-pad is horrendous. I suppose thats when they ported games like Capcom Vs SNK 2, they gave noobs the option of having the c stick control every move/hyper move throughout the game.

I think the reason the PS1-3 controllers are all really the same is because the format works. I really have no complaints about the controller other than the fact that it is just plain.
Krosigrim
QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Apr 18 2009, 07:57 PM) *
Most ergonomic controller EVER, the shaped buttons lend themselves to a new user not having to even LOOK at the buttons, and I think the triggers are far from annoying. They're better than the triggers on ANY other controller. The sloppy Dreamcast triggers, the joke that is analog on PS2 (How does something with NO range of motion call itself analog?), the only one even close to "getting it" is Microsoft.

The PS1, PS2 and PS3 controllers are all the same......SNES copycats with nothing really new. Same goes for the Analog sticks on the Sony controllers, they're far too weak and loose, they have the same piss-poor "Flick it like it's your micro azn male organ" design Sanwa arcade sticks do tongue.gif

Neither is good for fighting games anyway. Shoulder buttons as B5 and B6? GTFO.....

Ahh you being an arcade junky, I can see why you have so much hate for the analog. I agree, the analog does lack a certain edge, but overall I find the PS controllers to fit my "grisp" I have dislike for the 360 controller, but thats mainly over the D pad.

QUOTE (Rag @ Apr 18 2009, 08:04 PM) *
I think the reason the PS1-3 controllers are all really the same is because the format works. I really have no complaints about the controller other than the fact that it is just plain.

I agree, 'tis plain... but hand me a PS controller anyday.
ken_cinder
I hate the 360 D-Pad too, but it's a design that so many praise with almighty craze about Sega's Saturn/Genesis pads.

Why does the circle-dpad that is IDENTICAL in it's inaccurate state, garner such praise for Sega, but when it's on Microsofts pad it's "crap"? It's flawed on BOTH! I HATE Circular D-pads and all of them, they ALL fail. Saturn and Genesis pads outright suck for so many reasons (Light and flimsy, jagged feeling buttons and that horrid circle-dpad) that it boggles my mind why they get so much praise when they're some of the worst pads ever created.

With that said, the Dpad on the Cube controller is one of the worst, second only to the Dreamcast. It may be a touch smaller, but it's more tactile and accurate than that slippery and sloppy one on the Dreamcast, which btw is also too small.
Rag
QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Apr 18 2009, 07:52 PM) *
I hate the 360 D-Pad too, but it's a design that so many praise with almighty craze about Sega's Saturn/Genesis pads.

Why does the circle-dpad that is IDENTICAL in it's inaccurate state, garner such praise for Sega, but when it's on Microsofts pad it's "crap"? It's flawed on BOTH! I HATE Circular D-pads and all of them, they ALL fail. Saturn and Genesis pads outright suck for so many reasons (Light and flimsy, jagged feeling buttons and that horrid circle-dpad) that it boggles my mind why they get so much praise when they're some of the worst pads ever created.

With that said, the Dpad on the Cube controller is one of the worst, second only to the Dreamcast. It may be a touch smaller, but it's more tactile and accurate than that slippery and sloppy one on the Dreamcast, which btw is also too small.


I too despise the 360 D-Pad and was excited when I heard the news about a 360 controller remake that would have a better D-Pad. Then I discovered that it was actually very unpopular and was only going to be released in Europe. Brilliant.
Krosigrim
Well... you can always make your own, IF you want to take the time.
Hera
Yeah, so many people think I'm crazy but I absolutely loved the feel of the 64 controllers. I really dislike the GC. Maybe it's because I have fat fingers...who knows? It's not my preferred choice. I'm like Will, gimme a PS controller any day and I'm slick as a brick. I also agree with Rag about Nintendo always coming out with unique designs. That's how the folks at Nintendo are..they're always trying out new concepts and I have to admire them for that but I would like to smack the ones who said "This controller works awesome! Let's put these in the market along with the console!" I'm sure they could have formatted a better style controller than what they have. I have never heard anyone (excluding what I've read here) say they like the GC pad. But, everyone has preferences and I will say that I would rather use the GC controller than a Saturn...uck.
Rag
QUOTE (Hera @ Apr 18 2009, 10:02 PM) *
Yeah, so many people think I'm crazy but I absolutely loved the feel of the 64 controllers. I really dislike the GC. Maybe it's because I have fat fingers...who knows? It's not my preferred choice. I'm like Will, gimme a PS controller any day and I'm slick as a brick. I also agree with Rag about Nintendo always coming out with unique designs. That's how the folks at Nintendo are..they're always trying out new concepts and I have to admire them for that but I would like to smack the ones who said "This controller works awesome! Let's put these in the market along with the console!" I'm sure they could have formatted a better style controller than what they have. I have never heard anyone (excluding what I've read here) say they like the GC pad. But, everyone has preferences and I will say that I would rather use the GC controller than a Saturn...uck.


I think the 64 controllers were great for the games on the 64 since so many of them had the "awkward" design in mind while creating the game. How else could you burn a whole in your hand while playing the tug of war mini-game in Mario Party?

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like its the same case with the GC. Many of the games feel awkward for me with the GC controller. The Mega Man/X collections are a nightmare to play with that controller. In fact I find it nearly impossible to play X collection with it due to the inability to do several things at once (charge/jump/dash/move) with the GC controller.
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