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GameCop
QUOTE (TGDaily)
Redmond (WA) – Microsoft has stepped up its effort to promote its Vista operating system, but Windows XP just isn’t going away. The company reportedly extended the OEM downgrade timeline once again: As of now, system builders can still offer Windows XP downgrades to their customers and will be able to do so until Vista’s second birthday.

Microsoft’s deadline for allowing OEMs to sell PCs with systems that are “downgraded” from Windows Vista to XP is still a moving target. Initially planned to expire on June 30 of this year, Microsoft at first granted an extension to July 31. However, OEMs are still selling the downgrade option (often for a premium) and, according to new reports, the deadline apparently has been officially extended for six more months to January 31, 2009. The information is based on one leaked email sent to an OEM.

The decision indicates that there is still substantial demand for Windows XP and demand for Vista and its features may not be quite as convincing as the Microsoft usually claims. However, it also raises questions about the firm’s recently launched $300 million Windows advertising campaign that is designed to push Vista sales and there are certainly reasons to believe that a user who now purchases a Windows XP PC is unlikely to ever upgrade to Windows Vista: Windows 7 is expected to arrive in early H2 2009.

As before, the XP downgrade is available from some OEMs with the purchase a PC with Windows Vista Business or Windows Vista Ultimate.

Recent market data showed that more than one third of new PC buyers choose to downgrade their Vista installations to Windows XP. Another research revealed that enterprise users, one of Microsoft's key markets, are even less inclined to dump XP for the newer operating system.

Source: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39594/140/

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft gave Windows XP another extension. Let's face it, Vista has been a complete flop. It doesn't matter how much advertising they do on television, it's going to take a long time for them to change the image of Vista from a negative to a positive.

In the meantime, most people will probably stick to Windows XP (sorry Bill). Or they'll buy a Mac solely because they are "so much easier than PC's". tongue.gif
gavin19
Hopefully Windows 7 will be a big improvement over Vista, though no doubt it will be another RAM hog. Why they are spending $300 million advertising Vista when they could just pump that money into W7 I don't know.

What I hated was the packaging of Vista with products that weren't up to the job of running it. A friend of mine bought a Dell laptop last year and was only offered Vista as an OS, and being none the wiser he said ok. Ultimately he ordered a low-end laptop, which is all he wanted, but Vista runs like glue on it. I have seen this so many times with people asking me why their new PC is running so slow, when their old one was perfectly fine with XP. Nine times out of ten it's because they have been lumbered with Vista on a low-end machine.
echoman
QUOTE (gavin19 @ Oct 4 2008, 02:22 AM) *
What I hated was the packaging of Vista with products that weren't up to the job of running it. A friend of mine bought a Dell laptop last year and was only offered Vista as an OS, and being none the wiser he said ok. Ultimately he ordered a low-end laptop, which is all he wanted, but Vista runs like glue on it. I have seen this so many times with people asking me why their new PC is running so slow, when their old one was perfectly fine with XP. Nine times out of ten it's because they have been lumbered with Vista on a low-end machine.



I get so many calls on that, its ridiculous. Everyone is doing that now and customers just order away not even knowing that their mid level machine is going to run like crap.

They should just take all the money from advertising like you said and pump it into the new OS. Vista has a bad wrap and wont be popular or profitable anytime soon. Extend Xp until their new OS is released and try again with that
Kloplop321
I just use linux, it does what I want, and no lag because of security hole cover ups like firewalls and virus protection
Mooney
+1 for running Linux.
ken_cinder
Installing things IS easier on Linux, provided you use packages. Hell even compiling yourself is but a command away, as long as makefiles are provided.
Not sure if you can use Illustrator or Photoshop in WINE, but GIMP can do everything Photochop can and more.......so I think that's a non issue.

The ONLY reason I haven't switched to Linux, is games. Everything else is better on Linux, PERIOD.
Weirdy
/.configure && make && make install

it's not that hard, folks

only problem you'll have would probably be with dependencies

hell, some developers even include a script with a gtk dialog to help install
gavin19
QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Oct 5 2008, 11:46 PM) *
Everything else is better on Linux, PERIOD.


I don't know about anything else because I haven't used Linux in a year or so, but the one area which it seriously lags behind Windows is for video/audio editing/manipulation. By that I mean like high-end DVD authoring programs, converting from x format to y format etc. Windows has 100s of these sort of apps, Linux does not.
ken_cinder
I don't use any 1 click job AV editing software on Windows, so it's a non issue for me. AVIDemux is great on Linux, and does more than my favorite Windows app Virtualdub. I like to get my hands dirty, which is why I approve of Linux..........if you prefer to stay out of the proverbial "kitchen" then Linux is not for you.

If you look, you will find equivalent or better software in most cases.
The one thing I've found to be seriously lacking, are IM programs. Sure there are many, that support the major protocols, but they just plain suck! They're either lacking in the features department, but get the basic job done solidly........or the other way around.
Weirdy
linux is bad for people who don't want to learn
emsley
Long live XP I say.
It's been the best damned OS ever.
I got vista on my rig and I dont like it, I said it was just another "millenium." And it looks like my idea has been confirmed.
When XP came out every body hated it now everybody swears by it.
I would probably have had nothing bad to say about Vista but when I got my PC delivered the USB ports hardly detected anything and it turned out I needed a simple regestry fix.

Sadly not been able to use around 50% Of the stuff I plugged into my USB ports when i first got vista really gave me sour grapes hell i couldnt even plug in microsofts own mouse i had to go through the green jack instead.

LONG LIVE XP!
ME!
I have no reason to upgrade to Vista. Xp has never given me a single problem that required more than just a simple fix. I've had limited experience with Vista, but if it is anything like Windoes ME, like you suggest Emsley, then I don't want to be anywhere near it. That was the worst os ever.
gavin19
QUOTE (IJTF_Cinder @ Oct 7 2008, 03:23 AM) *
I don't use any 1 click job AV editing software on Windows, so it's a non issue for me. AVIDemux is great on Linux, and does more than my favorite Windows app Virtualdub. I like to get my hands dirty, which is why I approve of Linux..........if you prefer to stay out of the proverbial "kitchen" then Linux is not for you.

If you look, you will find equivalent or better software in most cases.
The one thing I've found to be seriously lacking, are IM programs. Sure there are many, that support the major protocols, but they just plain suck! They're either lacking in the features department, but get the basic job done solidly........or the other way around.


I much much prefer to use the ground level tools if at all possible. VirtualDubMod has been a mainstay on my PC for years. But there are a hell of a lot of people who use more user-friendly stuff like ConvertXtoDVD and WinAVI. There just isn't any sort of equivalent on Linux. Nor for the likes of DVDLab or DVD Maestro etc, it is lacking somewhat.

I was going to mention IM apps too. When I used Linux it was one of the major annoyances for me, being a heavy IM user at the time, now it wouldn't bother me so much. That pretty much sums up Linux for a lot of people who are used to Windows; plenty of software alternatives, but they ultimately pale in comparison.
emsley
Vista is stable with all the new updates and what not but If I had a choice I would have gone with XP but we are been forced to move on with DX10 n all that noise.
2eyez
Unless us, other folks just buy a new computer without checking up on the specs. So they deserve it. Vista even tells you on the box how much memory it uses. I'm not an expert but it's required to take a basic introduction to computer class in college. Or at least someone knows someone that knows a little about computers.
ken_cinder
Yeah but it's not the average Joe's responsibility, OEMs like Dell should have class action suits filed against them for selling hardware that doesn't meet the standards of an OS they provide on said hardware.

If I paid a premium for a computer that is just supposed to work, it better damn well work and not be gimped.

It's like buying a new car, with a used engine under the hood. Would that fly? Nope!
endoplasmic reticulum
vista doesn't hava a whole lot more interesting features than windows xp.
i mean, who cares if you have see through windows or a sidebar with a clock and a notepad on it. I have windows xp and vista. although windows xp is highly compromized, it is the best choice. vista is more of a "look i am cool. see what i can do" computer. xp is not as decorated, doesn't have the fancy settings and the fancy search thing but it works better than vita by far as an office computer. vista and xp both tend crash like drunk drivers if you load them with a whole bunch of rubbish applications and 60 gb of "media".
vista is like xp but with gold paint on it.

i do not recomend linux it sucks. it took forever to load and it took forever to take that s*** off. the only thing it is good for os the bottom of the compost bin. who has a compost bin anyway (only hippies use them [no offence])
and macs are just entertainment. except for games. and emulators.

anyway, windows is only crap if you mess around with all the settings.
endoplasmic reticulum
and what the hell are you people talking about???

oem?? what the hell is an oem. this post makes me feel like a rusty old honda car in a parking lot filled with non-rusty new honda cars.
loay
well i still use my old laptop (centrino dothen) till this post and i just upgrade to fast hard disk and two giga ram (to let my laptop be alife for anoter year or two without buying new laptop
and now Iam wating for w7 for my first laptop all in all upgrade
by the way long time no see gamecop, emsley, ME! and any other i forget it was nice to meet you a again guys
Tynvar
The only thing I like about Vista is that I don't have to log in as admin to fix things on those pcs. I can just use my password when it asks for a install or mod. According to Microsoft if you have a Windows Vista you can downgrade to XP you just have to ask them for a key, you have to provide the media though. So tell your laptop friend to call MS and get XP for free.

XP is your best bet right now. Linux rocks but there are so many applications I can't replace with at work, I have no choice sad.gif
arnesr
Long live XP!. As long as it does what I need I don't plan to switch.
Weirdy
I don't believe anyone really needs vista unless they're playing DX10 games or they want to use IIS 7 (in which case they should just get Windows Server 2008).
garyoak99
QUOTE (arnesr @ Jan 16 2009, 10:40 AM) *
Long live XP!. As long as it does what I need I don't plan to switch.


Windows 7 appears to be far superior to XP as even those who were most critical of Vista are lauding the stability and speed of Windows 7 Beta.
Bobdrakke
I would like to see comparisons of tweaked servers to run like workstations 2k3/8 to 7. As xp its not that great at 64bit even when using vista drivers
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