I was reading IGN lately and noticed the release dates for all the new games. I noticed that most, if not all 360 titles, were also being released for the PS3. Not only that, but the PS3 had quite a few exclusives that the 360 did not have.

Is it just me? What is the truth? Is the PS3 going to be the be all, end all, of the next few years? I also read that developers like the PS3 more because their media (Blu-Ray) type is not limited for game developing, as the 360 and Wii are. I'd like to know your thoughts.

It's just you. Beer goggles always make things look better than they actually are.

Agreed, just you. PS3 games still have the problem of looking too plasticy IMO.

Well, that has nothing to do with game lineups.

Name some of these games please .

Sure.

This is Vegas
PS3/XB360

Destroy All Humans! Path of The Furon
PS3/XB360

Saboteur
PS3/XB360

Wheelman
PS3/XB360

Valkyria
PS3 ONLY

Prototype
PS3/XB360

Just Cause 2
PS3/XB360

Infamous
PS3 ONLY

Saints Row 2
PS3/XB360

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of Patriots
PS3 ONLY

NBA Ballers: Chosen One
PS3/XB360

Mercenaries 2: World in Flames
PS3/XB360/PS2

Mafia II
PS3/XB360

Gran Turismo 5: Prologue
PS3 ONLY

Yea, the PS3 has 2 good games that are exclusive to that list, GTA and MGS.

I wouldn't say though that it's appearing > then the 360, just finaly pushing the "forward" button.

Ummm, I am only interested in MGS4 for those PS3 only games.

So, yeah, Sony still fails

How many actually are better on the PS3 though? Out of all the multiplatform games out there only Burnout Paradise actually looks better on Sony's machine. Then if you were to factor in things like DLC, online communities etc, you'd find that those games are still better off on the 360.

As for exclusives, there you have MGS4 and GT5. The 360 still has things like Gears of War 2 coming out, not to mention the slew of existing exclusive titles. Or that MGS4 might slip to the 360 sometime.


Finally, devs complaining about the lack of space on the 360? It's a myth. The only 2 developers who have said 'maybe' to having to use multiple DVD-9s in the future are Rockstar and id.

The Blu-ray thing is a curse if you ask me. Data has to be recycled, lengthy installs are becoming common, and loading is almost always longer.


So yes, to put it bluntly, the PS3 is still failing. Even if it does pick up steam it will never win at online. Home got delayed again (surprise surprise) and the pings you get in things like CoD4 and UT3 are obscene. Then there are all those things like friends, cross-game chat, achievements... Honestly all I can think of to be glad about owning a PS3 is that you'll have Darth Vader in SC4. Even then he will probably pop up as DLC at some point. Speaking of DLC *points to GTA4*... but then that's a whole other issue.

There is also the fact some companies still find the PS3 hard to develop for to a degree. There was also Kojima has said the PS3 was less then he expected once the team started to develop for it as oppose to the teaser trailer.

Although I'm tempted to chalk it up to Kojima just not being able to deliver, he has a good point. If anyone at any time were going to invest the manpower into getting the most out of the PS3's hard-to-program-for hardware, it would be Konami for MGS4. If even they were unable to get what they wanted out the machine, that is really saying something.

If anyone is wondering what I'm talking about.

The latest issue of the UK's Edge magazine contains an interview with Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima, who expresses disappointment with the latest game in the series, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. It isn't so much the gameplay itself as it is the graphics.

"Game-wise, it's pretty close to the original vision: you sneak into the battlefield and can choose whether to do a stealth game or interfere with the battle more directly. But the graphic, side things like motion-blending and the size of the map, totally was not accomplished to my original vision - to my satisfaction.
Now Kojima is a well-known perfectionist, but it is a bit disturbing to see him voice his dissatisfaction with what is supposed to be the masterpiece of the franchise. So where does he lay the blame for not fully realizing his vision?
"When we first showed the game engine at TGS, the staff were really proud and happy. PS3 was a dream machine, y'know, and we were going to work on this and that - and we had so many ideas. But when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions and so it turned out how you see it today. The original vision was to go ten steps further, the reality was just one step, which isn't to say we didn't progress.
So there was certainly progress made, but not enough progress...or more specifically, not enough power for progress. Apparently the team overestimated what the PlayStation 3 was capable of.
I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see.
Well there you have it, straight from the man himself. Metal Gear Solid 4 is not revolutionary. Personally I think the man is being a bit hard on himself, but that's what great minds do. - Edge Magazine.

Wow, seems like Kojima is nailing the last nail to PS3 coffin ;/

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WHOO..

If I could afford it I would have a PS3 by now. But I would probably never buy an Xbox360. IMO the PS3 will bury the Xbox360, the Wii is just a different creature so you can't really compare.

No I don't see that. Anyway, as proof, I'm going to buy another 360 + GTA IV to celebrate Play.uk is doing the package for £200 which isn't half bad for a Premium + best.game.ever.IV.

some exclusive 360 titles

raiden fighters aces
dodonpachi djd/ketsui
otomedius-konami arcade shooter
treasure are working on a 360 exclusive,rumoured to be radiant silvergun 3.

gears of war2.
ninja gaiden2
too human
fable 2
banjo kazooie3
halo wars
splinter cell conviction
left4dead-from developer ID
huxley
plus quite a few more.
but its like eveything else eventually some ps3 exclusives and 360 exclusives will be crossing platforms,like they usually do.

Ps3 seems to be competing more as before it was being outmatched in every department execept HD movie playing and reliability. If the 360 didn't have this problem it wouldn't be a perception of ps3 gaining.

PS3 only interests me more than 360 is hombrew wise with Linux and the possibility when xbmc linux is mature and the advantage of comp/media centre with HD/and emus would be the swaying factor. Its al pie in sky but the potential is there.

until Ninja Gaiden isnt exclusive the only system I want is 360 but biding my time atm.

Nah, the PlayStation 3 is a commercial failure.

Ninja Gaiden II for the Xbox 360 is an Xbox exclusive.

Well, maybe exclusive for 2 years than only ported to PS3 like the first one

Sounds a bit like how they waited 2 years and ported Metal Gear Solid 2 to the Xbox. Yet people keep naming MGS4 as an exclusive.

Yeah pretty much :V

Most microsoft games are always ported to pc anyways. Gears of War, pinata whatever, so on.

Better starting: I'd say no.
Future: Tendency, yes. (BluRay, the big ones like MGS4, GT5, .. And if producers are getting behind the PS3 engine. A uber-engine seems pretty useless, if you can't use its potential)

System Stability is what Killed the Xbox 360 and made way for the PS3 to even have a chance in Winning the Next gen war with Sleeper titles like Echochrome.

right on the money.

This thread makes it too easy to weed out the PS3 fanboys

Not always. It's all 3rd party developers. Viva Pinata still isn't on PC and Shadowrun just plain sucks!

I don't see any fanboys here, just people who are stating the facts, which just so happen to be in the Playstation 3's favor.

And the only fact here is there stating right here is the Failure Rate of the PS3 (3%) is better then the 360's (something like 40% i think).

edit: reworded to make sense :3

It isn't?
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/vivapinata/index.html

Then it's the first I heard of it.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Viva-Pinata...roductDetail.do

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1193451618792

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Viva-Pinat...5856&sr=8-2

Seems it's been around for a bit ^^

http://nexgenwars.com/

nope, PS3 still < x360.

Ok so lets do the math here.

The site updates constantly so last i checked the numbers were as follows

Xbox 360 = 18,200,000

PS3 = 9,209,000

Alright, The Xbox 360 had just abou exactly one year on the PS3 correct?

So, 9,209,000 x 2 = 18,418,000

So its can be said the the PS3 isnt doing any worst then the 360 when it came out. Apparently its doing a bit better.

Now Going by Wizards Numbers, which are quite accurate last i checked. We'll just about see how the numbers of the failure rate looks.

18,200,000 x 0.4 = 7,280,000

9,209,000 x 0.03 = 276,270

Heck, lets divide by two to get the Yearly number

7,280,000/2 = 3,640,000


UNACCEPTABLE for a 300-500(USD) System.

What good are exclusives when u cant play em?

failure rates are wildly exaggerated, only owners of broken consoles report failures. there are plenty of launch units still in the wild. and latest boards are very reliable.


and Wiz, Shadowrun was pretty good. don't hate.

Anything over 5% imo is unacceptable.

When i buy my system, the last thing i need to be thinking about is "Will it break on me??" or "How long should i play until it gets too hot??"

and THAT was what made me buy the PS3.

That's your opinion.....

But someone pointed out numbers, and well, X360 still > Ps3. Regardless of whether or not the failure rate (while exagerated to the extreme) of one system is higher then the other.

Also, I was watching the preview towards GTAIV in gametrailers, and one of the facts posted on the side where the number of pre-sales at that time, and much like the console numbers, X360 had double the amount of GTAIV pre-sales over Ps3, and the numbers where in the millions.

Why should you be thinking about that in any case? That's what the warranty is for. The numbers are wildly exaggerated- no one I know, with launch or more recent 360 consoles has seen a Red Ring.

If you bought a PS3 over a 360 solely because of all the scaremongering on the internet, well, I don't know what to tell you. Don't take it from the whining internet masses- judge the system's reliability for yourself.

I think it also depends what kind of environment you're placing your console in. If you're going to put it in a space that has hardly any room for it to blow all its hot air or a room that hits 90 degrees fahrenheit in the summer, then you're probably going to get a RROD. I think one of the big reasons we see 360's with RRODs in the kiosks at stores is because there isn't enough space for it disperse all its heat.

Also, I think the failure rate substantially decreased with the new falcon motherboards on the 360s.

On the contrary, everyone i know has got the RRoD, including my brother. I know people who've had to return thier Xboxs more then once. One friend of mine went 3 weeks without his xbox.

Everyone is really taking the 360 RRoD with a grain of salt and i for one see it as unacceptable.
The PS3 and the 360 share many 3rd party games anyway so im not missing out on much. And There are quite a few Sony exclusives i want to play as well. All in all, the ps3 is the better system in my eyes.

You sure about that???

Heres my feelings about it:

The PS3 doesn't have better graphics than the 360, the 360 usually looks slightly better - SLIGHTLY

Most of the exclusives for PS3 are garbage as far as I'm concerned (Except MGS4 of course) flock gran turismo. The only people who play GT are people who play Madden. They don't realize its not all that great and there are better options (although not really for football games anymore because madden is the ONLY football game, but flock football games.)

The PS3 is a royal pain to program for, so it makes it harder on developers, speaking of which, when developers say they like Blu-Ray better because it isn't as space limiting, they are either talking out their asses or they where paid to say that. There is no reason whatsoever for a game not to fit on a DVD9. If it can't fit on a DVD9 it was either deliberately made like that to increase e-male organ/laziness/something extremely obvious was overlooked. Usually a combination of all 3. Uncompressed video files are completely unnecessary as an example, it just adds bloat. I forget where I read it but I read an interview with some developers who said this same thing somewhere.

The PS3 has a lot of advantages developing right now from a business standpoint (Like Blu-ray winning the format war and people buying it as a Blu-ray player) but as far as gaming goes none of them really matter and I could care less, if they win this console war it isn't because they created a better gaming system for games, its because of things like this (so far).

Multiplayer for PS3 still sucks horribly. 360's multiplayer only sucks really badly. No that is not a typo.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm just trying to bash the PS3, I just don't see anything justifying its existence besides it being a cheap Blu-Ray player (which I don't need) and MGS4 (which in reality is probably all it needs, I can't wait) I only buy games for my 360 if its not coming out for PC though so I guess they are both failing to interest me very much. I need a damn Wii.

You would prefer a Wii over the others which virtually has less games than the other two?

Yes, people are scaremongoring over the failure rates of 360s. Everyone I know has NEVER had their 360 do a permenet RRoD on them. A simple reboot is what all it took for it to get back on it's tracks. Alot of consumers don't bother to put it in a well ventilated area and their complaining about overheating issues? I tell you, if you want a product with a fail rate of 5%, then buddy, don't buy anything until the 6-7th generation, heck, don't even use any computer above a 486, that CPU is practically bug free now and NASA uses it! Nothing is perfect, that includes building a machine.

Just because it's doing better, doesn't mean it's for all the right reasons. You know the majority of users buying it? People who want cheap and affordable Blu-Ray players. Gamers for the PS3 make up about 40% of that ratio. Major consumers are more concerned about it being a glorifed and cheap Blu-Ray player that can also play games on the side and not the other way around.

"The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated" - Mark Twain. It applies to 360 RRoDs as well.

The only 3 people I know with PS3s just happen to have bought theirs for primarily that reason, to have a Blu-Ray player first, games machine second. Hell, I don't even think they have an ounce of interest in gaming.

Not to mention that here in the UK, the PS3 40gig is still 50% more expensive than the 360 Premium.

RROD is no reflection on the quality of the games or live, which is all that matters. If it melts, it's covered under warranty, big deal.

I understand what you mean, but once again, This is still making me as the consumer more uncomfortable with purchasing this system. Even if the numbers arent as drastic as the first post you made, they still are very drastic. And at the price of 300-500 bucks, im looking to get my moneys worth.

So what youre all basically saying is, that the RRoD means nothing and shouldnt at all alter your judgment on which system you should buy?

I say it shouldn't. You run the risk of failure with anything you buy... accepting that risk shouldn't have anything to do with the product itself and buying / not buying it. As Gavin said, the RROD is no reflection of the system or its games. Those are the things that matter.

Bingo. The reason why we buy game consoles first is just that. Games. Sony's offering is nothing but titles bound to come out on 360 on the 3rd Party side of things. Companies these days, unless massively finacially backed, cannot turn a profit on one console alone. Case in point is DMC4. A PS3, 360 and a WinXP release so Capcom can turn a profit to cover dev costs.

I don't think Konami nor Sony will sell enough copies to cover MGS4 (which is some where in the Ten Millions), neither Square-Enix with Final Fantasy 13 either (26 Million USD & counting) even though both are must have titles for the PS3.