Fatal Rose's 'The Art of Seduction'



This thread is for all your questions about love and relationships. The truth is, no matter where you're at, Fatal Rose has been there and done that several times over- lucky for you, he's a nice guy and willing to help. So take advantage of 1Emulation's own font of romantic wisdom, and direct all your troubles to the Fatal Rose.

This is a lounge thread, so please post your story (worded for decent company, of course), wait for a response from Fatal, and then let someone else have a turn. Please keep your gratitude, admiration and sexual propositions where they belong; in a PM .

First and foremost; do you trust her enough to move out with her? Can you picture her being a responsible adult with bill, utilities, groceries etc...?
If you are not even sure about that forget about the whole thing.

Has anything physical happened between the two of you?
kissing, spooning, cuddling etc..

I honestly do not know whether or not she really has a boyfriend, she might just enjoy having you around due to the attention you give her. Nothing better then knowing you have emotional control over someone. Seems like she has a decent amount over you.

Do you ever find yourself being in denial when thinking about her in certain ways?

Seems like you are clinging on to the prospect of you two eventually hooking up. Which would not be a problem if you weren't so emotionally attached to her.

The Fatal advice:

Try to figure out what exactly her relationship status is. Be more chill around her, do not show any signs of jealously at all. Be her friend and eventually work your way into something. If you two live together eventually and are alone one night drinking I am sure something is bound to happen.

But in the end it's all about what you really want and what the truth of the situation is. There is nothing wrong with taking a emotional risk and going after something, as long as it does not ruin your credit or hurt you financially.

Find out more info about her relationship status please and post it here.


Oh yeah, never ever bring up that other girl around her.

Reply to edit:

If its causing this much emotional turmoil you might want to walk away from this.
Before you make any decision you have to reflect on the situation and how you feel about her. In a completely honest way. If you find yourself being annoyed (or trying to avoid) by certain thoughts, if some form of denial arises when you think about her there is a problem here.

I actually have a semi recent experience in this type of situation.

Late August almost two years back, a close friend of mine (and on again off again hook up/romantic interest) began speaking to me after a two month hiatus (which happens semi often with us). I had come out of two failed non-official relationships, so my self esteem was very low at the time. As for her, her relationship was becoming dreadful and her boyfriend, obsessive and insecure... it was strange how things weren't really going our way at the time, especially since we hadn't caught up with each other. Anyways, she decided to call me for a night out. I didn't mind at all as I had no plans, and she had made it clear to me that she needed to talk and get out of the house. So, I picked her up and she told me how hysterical her boyfriend was... I knew he had no prior relationship experience (him and I became buddies for a short while), but I still couldn't believe a few of the things she had said. Then the calls began. He called at least four times, crying the most pathetic words I have ever heard in my life (she had it on speaker phone so I could know what was going on). I felt embarrassed. She complained about everything for a good forty minutes, which was how long it took to arrive at an eighteen and over club (I was nineteen still, she was eighteen), and had informed me that she was on a four day break with the guy.

Then, we got to the club. After maybe ten minutes there, an extremely attractive lesbian approached her and came onto her very heavily. She turned her down, to which I scolded her and convinced her to make out with the lesbian so I could watch. She got drunk, failed at getting the lesbian to allow a three-way kiss with me included, and then hit on me herself. Now in most situations I wouldn't mind and would go with it, but there was this mutual trust her and I had and I wouldn't allow her to do something I felt she may regret when sober. After an hour and a half we left. These may all seem to be inappropriate details at the moment, but I only mention them because it apparently attracted her to me more: she had stripped in the car while I was driving and asked if she could perform fellatio on me -- which regretfully I declined and sensitively told her my reasons. It ended with her putting her clothes on, grabbing my hand, kissing me, and then she placed her head on my shoulder… and then we went to a strip club.

Her four day break with her boyfriend had ended, but her and I had become much closer. So close that her boyfriend began seeing me as more of a threat than before... we weren't as buddy-buddy or anything. She joined me on my twentieth birthday in early September, which was when she began comparing her relationship with me to her relationship with her boyfriend as we were on our way to Hollywood (her and I were alone in the backseat and my friends Colby and Juilianal in the front). She confirmed that she was more attracted to me emotionally and physically than her boyfriend, but though she liked me she couldn't do anything about it since she was "in love" and felt that there was a chance of our "friendship being completely ruined" -- it worried her since she wanted me around "forever". Her and I ended up making out that night, and went to Juilianal's car with hopes of going further... no such luck as my friends came within five minutes of Grope Fest '06.

This kind of thing went on all through September. We weren't having sex, but we would kiss and get cuddly or touchy, and I became the subject of arguments between her and her boyfriend. Her mother and older sister had enough of him and began visiting me at work to talk to me about how they hoped "she'd come to her senses and start seeing me." Her birthday came up near Septembers end, and for her gift I took her to Disneyland and got her the same season pass I had. We had a new reason to see each other more often… and her boyfriend had a new reason to complain about me and argue with her.

I could go on in every shady detail, but I'm sure you get the point. The situation was tailor made for me to end up with the girl (though I admit it does seem scandalous on both of our parts). Her sister and mother were talking to her about me, even her dad was, and I was the perfect gentleman with all the right moves, the experience, taste, and sans awkward emotional episodes due to insecurity. October came, the charade ended, and she finally mustered the strength to break up with him. Apparently he didn't handle it very well and threw a child-like tantrum. I selfishly thought things were going my way, beforehand I just wanted her to break it off because the guy was a freak but now there was more to it then that. Unfortunately, millions of other guys began hitting her up - news spread kind of fast and she's what you'd call a hot catch. She became big-headed. Every other guy would try hitting her up whenever her and I were trying to spend time together, it was annoying but I figured I had to suck it up and let things flow until the time was right for me to make my move and become an official owner and property. Plus, the way she would brush people off when I was around was very reassuring.

For a little while things were near perfect, and then she got worst. She was so consumed by the extra attention she was receiving that it became pretty obvious that she had no intentions in an official relationship. Ryan (Fatal Rose) and I went to a club one night to celebrate a friends birthday. She had a really cute friend that couldn't keep her eyes off of me, and her and I hit it off extremely well. She became my rebound and I had stopped talking to my friend for a while. I was really upset and didn't want to talk about it at all for the longest. As far as her and I are concerned now, it never even happened.

My point may be hard to find due to the length and some of the details I go into, but basically I was being used for the attention and confidence boosts. She did legitimately have feelings for me, but they were only amplified with the pitiful boyfriend around. She had the guy that worshipped the ground she walked on, was a mess without her, and spent god-knows how much money on her, and then she had the guy that gave her the extra bit of attention, had an ideal level of confidence, kept her cool headed, and was able to constantly go out for a good time with. In the situation you're in, you may be the former as I was.

My advice is to keep jealousy at bay. Her boyfriend is of no concern to you, you didn't even hear about the guy until recently... and though I don't know her, I highly doubt she would be pathetic enough to invent some imaginary dude in order to make you jealous. It's possible that she had intended to keep something like a boyfriend a secret since she probably felt you would treat her or act differently which would create an awkward tension… but honestly, I wouldn’t look too deeply into it.

As for being second best… feeling someone out while in a relationship (which females are notorious for) doesn't equate to the person of interest being second best -- it's either due to an attachment to the person they're in the obvious failure of a relationship with or because they need to feel an assurance that there's someone sticking around for them and they won‘t be alone.

As Ryan said, if it's causing emotional turmoil or too much uncertainty, walk away. Otherwise, return things to the way they were prior to your learning of her relationship. If it doesn't seem to be working out, you need to walk away and find someone else.

Posting in potentionally epic thread.

Wow. Never know that i would be the cause of BK's woes.

Anyway.....

1. I would say the girl is having issue no. 1. Scratch the sinister part. I would say he might be flirting and enjoying the attention of his boyfriend and yours. Also, moving out at this point is not advisable yet for you.
You just started a job. Unless you are moving near to your work AND you plan to work in that job for long, I would say scratch that too. Also, moving in with a girl can be really troublesome if you are not prepared.
I am going steady with my current girlfriend and still we have many big arguments when she moved in recently. If it is not for our steadier relationship over the years, we would have broken off by now. It is not trivial matter to co-habit.

2. My suggestion is to take all this in the stride. Stay at your house now for time being. Enjoy the time you have on your own and give her some space. If she is truly serious, you will see the sign. Just don't rush headlong into a relationship when she is still trying to get out of one. I would prefer to find someone with no baggages attached but that is just me.

Good luck BK.

I propose I be named Fatal's second in command in this thread:

reasons: you always need a second opinion, and I'm just that damn nice

I could use a nice opinion right now. I know Fatal knows his stuff but his advice was kinda harsh... what do you reckon I should do?

Well my advice would be this:

First and foremost, have a deep conversation with yourself and clarify what you feel for this girl. It's THE most important step. Vent out all the rage and hatred. There's really no place for that in any relationship. Relax, take a deep breath, light a cigarette if you smoke and think clearly.

Well for the second part, find out if she has a boyfriend, with actual evidence. But not from her. Then ask her if she has one and why she didn't tell you about him if she does.

If she does have one and lies about it, it's clear. If she's not sincere with you now, it's because she feels that you can't really be trusted.

If she does have a boyfriend, then she'll have to choose between you and him, if she fancies him. I wouldn't take to being second fiddle and neither should you. Or maybe he's just some dude she hangs out with and doesn't mean much. In which case you shouldn't worry about it too much. He won't be figuring in her plans for the long run anyway.

(Case of point, I returned back home in Romania for the holidays. First week I was here, I hook up with a girl, she already had a boyfriend. Since I'm filled with so much awesome, that guy didn't have a chance, he was more of a guy she hanged out with, not much more).

Do not be afraid of confrontations. Just handle it calmly. Believe it or not, arguments are one of the healthiest things that can happen to a relationship if both of you are receptive.

The most important thing I want you know is that it's not good to be so prone to evil thoughts.

Here's one of the better alternatives that I believe may be the motive as to why she didn't tell you about that guy:
She was afraid of losing you, again. Naturally this becomes harder and harder as time goes by, because things between the two of you escalate.

That's why I'm saying, talk to her. Communication is one of the most important parts of any relationship. Have her confide in you, listen to her, comfort her. If you find out you really do care about her, then you'll want to do exactly this to establish that you can be trusted. She'll feel bad about not telling you that she has/had a boyfriend but at the same time, will be grateful, relieved and sincere to you from now on.

Drop the rage bro, it's never worth it.

edit: grammar Nazi-ism.

Axl, not a bad advice. i would say this is a "diplomatic" solution and ensuring a "we will be friends forever" outcome if things didn;t work out as planned.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. It's really tailored around my way of thinking anyway as I usually go for the win when I meet a girl and analyze her entire personality so I don't miss something important. Hope I helped.

Thanks- I've just got to think about all this..

To clarify though, the rage isn't towards the one I'm having trouble with. The rage is for the old chick from years ago.

How do you feel now about this, is there still something missing from your current one with May when you compare the two relationships? Are you sure it's not just getting used to being in a relationship? I mean, it's like weed, you get used to it real fast, and you get less of a buzz each time.

I really can't pinpoint the exact cause of your rage at the moment. It certainly is tied to miss Nameless, but I think you're wrong in feeling that it's towards her. In my current opinion, I think it's actually towards yourself because you still didn't find out why exactly she changed and you might be thinking you were responsible for it. Just my 2 cents.

edit: retarded idea removed, replaced with current one.

Why direct the rage towards someone that don't even know about it?
You are wasting your rage.

Do what I do; go beat the crap out of someone on a fighting game
that will release your rage

Honestly, as I said, don't dwell in the past but look at the present and future.

I've never been on the kind of lunatic high I was on the other time with May.. but I think it has to do with things getting duller over time as you say.


I'm pissed because we had a good thing going, she changed up on me almost overnight, became inhumanly cold toward me, and from that point we have hardly said 2 words to eachother. I'm angry because all of a sudden she started treating me as though I murdered her parents or something.


It's not as though I go around punching walls about this. Whenever it comes up and I think of her it makes me angry. That's why I choose not to think about her and when someone wants to talk about it I tell them I don't want to.


The only one I have online atm is VF5 and I'm no good at it :/. Wait until SSF2THDR comes out and watch the pwning begin.

Have you ever blamed yourself about this? Because I believe it's what's causing the real grief. Questions like "what have I done to her?" or "was there something I said?" kept popping up in your head. But it's not your fault bro, you should let it go. Women are weird for one thing. Maybe she got cold feet, wasn't ready for such a strong relationship, had some jealous friends who convinced her to dump you or whatever. I'm just assuming based on the limited info I have. Anyway, it's time to let it all go away in my opinion. It might just have to remain one of your life's mysteries. You could leave it at that or go confront her about it, I suppose, which would help you a lot more anyway. Knowing what happened, if it was you indeed (which I highly doubt), than maybe you could use this to your advantage and not repeat the same thing with May.

edit: lol, hijacked Fatal's thread, hehe.

Axl -- your advice is naively optimistic. To avoid any sort of embarrassment confrontation should be the last thing on one's mind, and it could leave his love interest resenting BK as much as he resents Ms. May.

My original post was out of control in length, but I explain my situation, how it was handled, and the outcome. The similarities are there, perhaps not every single detail but for the most part it was a semi lengthy relationship with a female that already had a boyfriend. Here's the more important excerpt:



But I will add that besides awkward tension there may be a fear of BK running away again.

Blunt yet harsh is the way relationships go, and that's the way advice should be given.


Note: I actually do have an extensive amount of experience in this type of situation as a lot of the women I have fooled around with or been romantically entangled with had a significant other of some kind.

This thread was heading towards Epic Win then turned to Epic Fail real quick.

Well, that may be so, granted, you guys have more experience than me anyway, not contesting that. But I found that it has always worked for me to be honest and willing to talk about it. Your advice gives me the impression that it might leave unresolved issues and would further enrage BK really. I'm saying since I've studying a bit of psychology on my own after some sessions with a therapist and found it helps me a great deal in many aspects of my social life. That's just me, of course.

I advised the same thing, don't bother with her other dude, if indeed she has one. Your main concern is building your relationship with her. I especially agree on what you said about the fact that they need assurance, it's almost always the case, since it overwrites any leftover attachments they might have for their initial relationship.

I can't agree with you on the "blunt and harsh" bit. I choose to be softer with girls and it's working out great.
I also can't agree with you on the confrontation bit, simply because, through psychology I've come to realise that guys fear any sort of arguement and that they would rather quit than fight for it. That's sad really, and it's what galvanized my previous response. It's because most guys think an arguement automatically equates to screaming, yelling and lots of sh!t being said. That's wrong. BK says he connects with her on all levels, which means that she has the ability to have a calm, rational arguement, which almost always leads to resolved problems. Just my 2 cents.

How is this leading to epic fail, Skythe?



Rather then confront it's best to learn what her feelings are for him. I don't think Salorskin's advice against a confrontation is to avoid an argument. He probably means to keep away from the "why not choose me?" situation which, if has a negative outcome, leads to embarrassment, at times further resentment, and makes you look like a little b****.

um... Is this for real?

As real as it gets...

Alright, I have a question --

This girl at work and I have become very close. There's some attraction mixed in, but most of the time we just talk about relationship issues, joke, pretty much have fun. She has told me a few times that she wants to go to a club with me and even asked me to the movies once (she stated that she had to go to bed before I clocked off since she needed to wake up at five). Should I subtly pursue anything or should I just go with the motions?

Unless you have a good reason not to, then sure go for it? Seems like the two of you get on pretty well.

Throw some flirts in here and there, just try not to make things to painfully obvious. But for sure invite her out with us to a club or to a bar to have a few drinks. I will hype you up the whole night and make you sound like a Greek God.

Last I recalled, there's only one Fatal Rose on this board.

HAHA guess who wants to have a night on the town with me?

GameCop?
;-P

Stephanie.

Wow, I'd really love to get some help from here but it'd be kinda weird to talk in a public forum.

But you're anonymous in the sense that no one knows who you really are, and so can never stick it to you if you say something embarrassing.

Just throw your problems out there- you might get just the help you need.

my penis hurts when I slam a dictionary closed on it. is this normal? my friends say if I can't take a dictionary then maybe I should move down to some lighter reading. they suggested the Ryan Seacrest biography for starters. do you think that is good advise Fatal Rose?

I don't really think that's the kind of advice this thread was made for, garageink. I have a situation in my hands as well, but it's kind of complicated and a long story, I might post it later.

My girlfriend keeps bleeding from the censor for obvious reasons, I can't stop flocking her every time I see her, and I don't feel like walking around with a bloody dick all day when its that time of the month, it also stains real bad and eventually all my boxers will be bloody, which would make drunken streaking awkward, and rack up a lot of costs in underwear replacement, speaking of which, I'm too much of a cheapass for condoms (the only time I get them is when I sneak into the nurses office at school and steal the entire bowl) so thats out of the picture, and I have time for sex, or a shower, not sex and a shower most of the time. So how do I tell her that I'm not going to flock her anymore until her censor stops bleeding without sounding like a complete fag for turning down sex. Or maybe I should be asking how to prevent my excessive hornyness? It doesn't help that her birth control causes her bleeding to be all over the place (meaning the date, not excessively you ass) and almost at random. Now that i'm thinking about it, I just realized I flocked her yesterday, got drunk, and flocked her some more, I'm pretty afraid to remove my pants right now. They feel kinda glued on.

It also appears my dog has chewed up and scattered about the bloody tissues from the trash that I used to wipe my dick off....ummm....yeah....my mornings always start off interesting.

As ridiculous as this post is, The only part thats not true is my considering of flocking her less often, flock that, sex is awesome. (Just remember, You started this thread, You asked, welcome to my everyday life)

Lube it up first, everything should be fine.

Wiping is not cutting it, wash it in the sink if you don't have time for a shower. Just act you have to go take a piss or crap and go clean it.

I'm having some problems with lady friends lately. There are these two girls that I just freekin love to death. One is named Becky, and the other is Katie. Becky is one of my best friends and I talk to her about everything in my life. We love to hang out and do things together, but another one of my "friends" likes her. I seriously can't see them together and Becky doesn't like him, but he keeps pushing on. And lately he's been trying to push her away from me by telling her to either date me or tell me to stop talking to her. But I think Becky likes me, but Dirk's (my "friend") kinda in the way, I think. The other girl is Katie. Drama queen, talkative, material girl. I guess when I look at it that way I don't really like her as much, but she's one of the friendliest people I've ever met. From the second I started talking to her we've just never really stopped talking. I'm a really caring person so when she's so dramatic I love being there for her. She talks to me when she's crying and I like making her smile. I hang out and text Becky a lot, but I talk to Katie almost as much, and each knows I talk to the other that much. Becky doesn't like me being around Katie cause she just uses drama and everything as amusement and tries to get attention. Katie says Becky is leading me on, but I've never known her to do something like that. But this is hard to know since they're both freshmen this year and I'm a senior. (Just to let you know, I have next to no experience with girls, so I'm like girl retarded) Some one please give me some advice or something. Ask questions as needed.

I say go with the flow, but just like you, I'm just starting to get in the scene. (By flow , I mean, go with what happens!!)

Man today was so weird, I went to a house party, NO ONE WAS DANCING. In my head I'm like "You know , if I start dacning, 20 other people would join me in", guess what. I started dancing, and 20 other people did join me, not only that, but I ended up dancing with some girls as well, didn't make out or anything (If I persuaded one too I proabably would've), but it was fun, and the first time I broke out and lead (which is my main goal fyi).

The weird thing about it wasn't finaly hitting a step in my main goal for my social ladder, but after that , me and my homeboys, go to checkers, and we start talking about prostitutes (I live in miami fyi). Before I know it, the 3 other guys I was with, made up a crazy plan for all of us to go flock one at once.

So I texted my cousin, asked him "What would you do" , he told me, "Call me when you guys stop, and I'll come and pick you up, tell em you got work in the morning", damn, let's just say, luck was on my side, because we went all down 8 street and flagler (the main 2 hooker spots in the city) not a single one (and any other day if you would take the same route you would've spoted 10 in 10 minutes). They got bored after an hour of searching, and said "flock it, I'm dropping you off" , man, I'm so happy I didn't have to end up looking like a big female organ.

But in the other end, when I think about it, it's that I'm getting away because I'm acting like a female organ, but because I'm being smart, call me one if you would like, don't affect me, ain't my fault you don't have brains.

Btw this literaly just happened about 30 minutes ago from my post.

flock her IN the shower... 2 birds, 1 stone buddy.


thank you, Fatal Rose, that helped immensely. I can now slam a dictionary closed on my penis over and over with no trouble.

umm, it is very embarassing but i can't identify which one is the pee-hole and which one is the ass hole. any help?

Trial and error?

Fatal Rose care to weigh in on this one?

after enough liquor it won't matter anyways.

you mean using the liquor to lube both holes?

I wonder if this is wrong to post.. if so my apologies- please delete it.

But just on the topic of using liquor as lube...

EDIT- actually its pretty graphic.. PM me if you want to see something that sick I guess.

it's a blank page?!?

Ok well my problem's over. I finally told Katie that it'd just be better if I was her friend because us going out would be too much drama in her life on top of everything she already had going on. Then tonight Becky out of no where says she finally wants to go out with me.

You should be with them both.

As much as I try to be honest and sincere, my common sense never tingles [© Skythe] when I do that. Sh!t son, I love it, I know I'm being a jackass though. What the fvck I need a smoke...

As far as I see it it's just practice anyways until marriage.

But yeah, you should bone one a few times and then date the other.

Question- what do you do about a girl who adamantly refuses to drink?